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Re: SSD and RB/biab
So I installed an ssd ; kept win on original
Sata drive. Rb n’ biab plus songs on the ssd.
Yep, tings are more snappy.
Thinkin now of putting another ssd in for win.
Not really bothered bout boot time cos currently off the sata
Win boots in 15 secs.
My whole aim is to get faster song /tracks genning in both biab n rb.
cos I like to work fast.
Thus my Q’ , would getting another ssd realise me saving seconds in genning of traks ??
Sure things are faster now, but not astonishly so .
Any tips for 2 ssd drives ??
Cheers
retd puter engr. daft songs at www.motagator.net/bmanning(songs no 9 n higher use new biab2011.) what is the black art of audio engineering ?. all puters get obsolete in the end..lol.
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I have one SSD that is my boot drive. It has Windows of course and most applications (and many of those give no choice but to install to the boot drive). It has no data, with the exception of BIAB where both the program and my songs are on the SSD. I keep good backups of songs of course, since my SSD is one of the earliest models.
I would think your setup, with BIAB on the SSD that is NOT a boot drive, would be as fast as it gets for BIAB, with no calls to that drive for Windows. I thought about doing it that way but chose to have the benefit of the fastest loading of Windows on my five-year old PC.
In your case, a faster CPU would be the next logical upgrade for BIAB regeneration speed.
I'm assuming you are running Windows 64-bit and have 4GB or more RAM.
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I agree with Matt here, the only way to get more speed now is a big fat and fast CPU, say six cores or more and definitely as much RAM, and high speed RAM at that, as your motherboard can support.
Might even need a change out of motherboard for the bigger and faster CPU anyway.
As a by the way, although the actual operating system software is held on the SATA mechanical drive, once the system has booted up, the system is actually running from the RAM, it is the taking of the system from the drive and putting it into the RAM that takes the time at boot up.
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Yes the faster the CPU the faster the generation and the more cores the faster the generation. But then it comes to the bottleneck of reading hard drives and that is where SSDs come in.
I already have a CPU with four cores and four virtual cores a 3.4 GHz each. Actually overclocking my CPU would not really shorten the wait time -- at least not noticable in most cases.
If your computer is reasonably fast, let's say more than 3 GHz, then a faster CPU will not bring much effect if you don't speed up all the other relevant components.
Most often a faster CPU will just wait faster.
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A bit of nostalgia/deja vue ...
Can anyone remember how long the re-generation took when we got those first 3 realstyles? I can!!
I'm doing allright for Country Trash ....
I used to care, but things have changed (Bob Dylan)
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Rb n’ biab plus songs on the ssd.
Yep, tings are more snappy. ... My whole aim is to get faster song /tracks genning in both biab n rb.
cos I like to work fast. ... But where are the realtrack files pulling from? It is possible to have RB/BB running from a given drive but the realtracks elsewhere. Where these files are pulled from can be a big game changer. So which drive is your call inside of RB/BB reading the realtracks from? I've got these settings off-kilt before and ended up installing realtracks to a drive that RB and BB weren't using .. then wondered why it didn't work!
Last edited by rharv; 07/03/14 03:04 PM.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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rharv n everyone
so I bought nuther ssd drive.
all ssd puter now.
win on its own ssd and biab //rb//realtracks on second ssd.
no old drives now, all ssd.
I did a complex gen of a song yesterday n still takes a time.
so qed , da prob is I gotta pony up for a new system I reckon.
anyone got a intel i5 plus 2 ssd'sa ??
whats the gen time of tracks ??
btw , a tip off.
when installing a new ssd , if drive letter don't show in win
after physically installing ssd drive....
you must initialise drive using a win utility
called diskmgmt.msc. in win 7 enter that in search.
best regards to all from me now retired..lol.
Last edited by manning11; 07/07/14 06:17 AM.
retd puter engr. daft songs at www.motagator.net/bmanning(songs no 9 n higher use new biab2011.) what is the black art of audio engineering ?. all puters get obsolete in the end..lol.
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With SSD drives you have to set up the BIOS, unless you install windows onto the SSD from fresh, where it does it itself, if I remember. I am pretty hopeless at that stuff, so cant say more..
I have a basic core I7 here and run win7 64 bit. It's on a SSD main drive and its very fast and stable.
I would guess BIAB runs on only a single core, as the coding is in many parts ancient - even win 95!
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Well, I did a test:
All four physical cores are working in generating the accompaniment and playback of a song with BIAB.
I did load a busy song (many changes and five RealTracks), wait until the computer was as quiet as possible then hit Generate and Play to make sure it does generate something.
All four cores started to work to generate the accompaniment and kept working while playing the song.
Regardless on how the software development process works and what language is used, I do definetely doubt that the compilers to generate the dlls and exes are as ancient as some of the code might be. Modern compilers will probably generate parallel threads if not forced to generate one sequential running program.
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My experience is a little different than yours (though expected) but generally agrees with the use of the processor cores you mention.
My first two cores seem to handle BB/RB requests, the third core seems to remain pretty steady .. but I think that is by design for this processor (fourth core is disabled).
From observation most applications work this way on this system.
I think the zero either got bad info or didn't comprehend the info he got, or maybe misspoke about the core use.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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