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That's the whole question. There are parts I'd like at way slower tempos, or on different instruments. It would be a great boon to the student as well if the part were available in MIDI as well as the tab and big keyboard views.
Is this already possible? All I see are save as .wav or change the part. Thanks, I'm just learning what this guy WON'T do.
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Short answer: NO
Not really. You can render any of the RB tracks to midi but the result is nowhere close to what you hear playing in the audio track. The midi ends up being generic.
I really wanted to do that with a piano track.... the music on the real track was freaking awesome but the rendering process left the sound lacking considerably. I wanted to convert it to midi and use one of my really nice piano synths to play it. Nope.... there was no way to accomplish that task.
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Thanks - but not really still does mean it can be done, even if badly. I can tweak later, or use groove control to fit the feel, but where do I go to do the conversion? I don't see anything on the save to wav dialog options.
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There are programs that can attempt this. The degree of success varies greatly. If the original audio is one monophonic instrument, success will be more likely.
Melodyne Editor is the current state-of-the-art program.
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So we're NOT talking about BiaB options. OK.
Still - would be very useful for future updates (record the midi from pianists, bassists, drummers and guitarists as they are recording the RealTrack. Horns - not so much... unless you are using an EVI...
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This has always confused me a bit. Many of the RT's have notation assigned to them (they appear green with an underline). I believe these were transposed manually. But I there is notation why can't there be midi? Actually, I thought there was a midi track assigned to a RT. But it had no (...something??), so it would not play right. Can someone clear this up for me. And why Carlos's fusion guitar RTs don't have a complete associated midi is strange since most of his stuff always was played his midi guitar system.
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If you go to Realband right click on any track > "Also generate RealCharts" then open the song and you will get the RealTracks & midi tracks if the RealTracks have RealCharts.
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Following on from what Dan has said ... If you have BIAB version 2014, and if there is notation for the chosen Realtrack, it's possible to drag the track to the MID quadrant of the "Drag 'n' drop" region. For example ... On the image below, the "Guitar" track has an underline (#1). This means that the Realtrack that's presently residing on the "Guitar" slot has notation associated with it. If I left-click, hold the mouse button down and drag the "Guitar" track to the "MID" quadrant (#2), a midi file of the notation will be generated.  To access the midi file, right-click on the "Drag 'n' drop" box and then select "Open drag drop folder". If there is no associated notation with a Realtrack, midi conversion requires additional software as Matt has mentioned. Regards, Noel
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Aha! The Secret! I forgot about that quadrant. That is the answer to the original question, I believe. Thank you very much, Noel96.
I use these tracks as solo pianist four nights a week. I also use iReal Pro tracks, hand-played parts, Sibelius scored tracks. etc. just to keep the variety.
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You guys have touched on the RT/midi thing but not the full story. People wanted to see the notation for the RT's especially the soloists. PG had to hire pro's with good ears to manually transcribe the notes into notation. Since notation is midi based you get a midi track. BUT and this is important, it's note information only. It is NOT a regular midi file that we are all used to. That is if you assign a midi instrument and hit play you won't hear anything. Why? Because the midi information is just the note, nothing else. No volume, no expression, no modulation, no pitch bends, none of that. That means you have to create all that yourself before you have a useful midi file.
As has been mentioned already RT's are audio files no different than your favorite CD. To ask about an RT midi file is exactly the same as asking about a midi file of your favorite Keith Jarrett recording. Ain't happening.
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Thanks, Bob. Got it. BUT - why not create any new RTs on midi devices when it doesn't affect the performance? I doubt whether Keith would deign to record like that, but some of your stable might be cool with it.
These days I record my Nord piano keyboard as midi, edit my worst mistakes, then play back midi to record the corrected audio. Saves considerable time over editing the audio file. That way I get the best of both worlds - editing detail and sonic purity.
But in the meantime, I'll just detail out the tracks, now that I know what I'm working with. Thanks for the insight.
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You guys have touched on the RT/midi thing but not the full story. People wanted to see the notation for the RT's especially the soloists. PG had to hire pro's with good ears to manually transcribe the notes into notation. Since notation is midi based you get a midi track. BUT and this is important, it's note information only. It is NOT a regular midi file that we are all used to. That is if you assign a midi instrument and hit play you won't hear anything. Why? Because the midi information is just the note, nothing else. No volume, no expression, no modulation, no pitch bends, none of that. That means you have to create all that yourself before you have a useful midi file.
As has been mentioned already RT's are audio files no different than your favorite CD. To ask about an RT midi file is exactly the same as asking about a midi file of your favorite Keith Jarrett recording. Ain't happening.
Bob That's what I was looking for. Thanks for clarifying. I think this now brings us to " Super midi tracks" in the evolution of BIAB. someone want to clarify these? .
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Soundsmith, I have been using the EDIT>Move tracks function for some time. This demo is RT piano blues Moved to Melody track. It just happened to be organ that sounded decent so left it... The nice result even surprised me... I do use Addictive Keys quite a bit, so like midi. Most of the time use SuperMidi piano to drive the AK. 192bitWMA, so lost a little on the sound. BTW the softsynth for organ is part of Coolsoft. No intentional FX. NOT all RT's have midi with them.http://www.mp3cloud.mobi/BritBluesWithMidiMovePiano2Melody.wmaGood Luck!
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Thanks, Bob. Got it. BUT - why not create any new RTs on midi devices when it doesn't affect the performance? I doubt whether Keith would deign to record like that, but some of your stable might be cool with it. The problem with this is the MIDI playback source. For instance a RT sax solo has 0.5 pitch bends when transcribed into MIDI. However if the MIDI play back source has the pitch bend set at one octave it will sound like crap. Also it the MIDI sound source is a cheap GM set then the sound will be terrible also.
These days I record my Nord piano keyboard as midi, edit my worst mistakes, then play back midi to record the corrected audio. Saves considerable time over editing the audio file. That way I get the best of both worlds - editing detail and sonic purity.
But in the meantime, I'll just detail out the tracks, now that I know what I'm working with. Thanks for the insight.
That is my method also, record in MIDI. If I use RTs it will be a cut and paste job to add to my MIDI song. YMMV
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MIDI recording is not for all instruments. EVI and EWI would work as themselves, but not playable on a GM instrument. I used to record a VL70m with Yamaha breath controller and midi keyboard, but I don't have the breath anymore. And those are stll not BiaB instruments... Piano, guitar, bass and drums, maybe a Zeta violin pretty much are all I would trust but that's the point. Use the tech where it works, do something else where it doesn't... P.S. Just realized  I'm looking for the RealTracks to MIDI SuperTracks converter...
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