some people based their entire bias on BiaB's free MIDI sounds, well actually they were a Microsoft GM set, and thus said MIDI sucks
Just as a bit of info, the MS GM sound set was licensed to them by Roland long ago, so they are actually a Roland set. Much like the old VSC DXi synth (which had better samples), this sound set was cast aside by Roland (long ago after being 'dummied down' for the OS use). They continue to let MS continue to use it.
Also, this default set of samples can be tinkered with (within the OS), but as Mario pointed out; the basic free set that comes with Windows is from the W95/98 era and pretty basic. If'n you use your imagination you can almost here the intended sounds. That's Windows fault, and not BiaB.
/the more you know!
Thanx, I had forgotten about the Roland connection!
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Mine too, but I don't know how to tell BIAB to go "look" for it. In the DXi/VSTi drop down, it's not there, and I don't know if I have to move it to get BIAB to find it, and it looks like the only option I have is "find new VSTi" button (which it isn't, it's a DXi, I tried, it wouldn't work.). I have a bunch of DXi's and DX plugs that it couldn't find. Cakewalks's default was to put them in Program files/ Cakewalk/ shared DXi's (not in the x86 directory). Is it possible that these were coded in 64 bit?.I know Sonar and I believe earlier versions of BIAB would allow you to rescan folders for VSTs and DXi's, but I can't find where to do it.
Thx for compliment but I'm not even by half the best MIDI person here.
Tconnelly
No your issue has nothing to do with 64 bit or TTS-1 missing from x86 folder - TTS-1 is a 32 bit app. DXI's are DirectX plugins and are all 32 bit.
Unlike VSTi's which do not have a "central" repository in the system registry, DXI's do. While there are multiple references for all VSTi's and DXi's throughout the registry there is ONE central location that all applications, e.g., Sonar, BIAB, RB, Reaper, … look to find installed DXi's - that is NOT true for VSTi's.
DXI's are ALL listed in the registry under: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\MfxSoftSynths\
BTW PLEASE stay out of the system registry if you have no idea what you are doing, you can and probably will muck up your PC or installed applications.
You can tell BIAB, RB, SONAR, etc. where to find VST's and VSTi's individually if those host applications don’t find them in the usual VST places and/or you can add additional "paths" to re-scan or re-scan at program start-up (like in Sonar); however, that is NOT true for DX/DXI's.
As far as I know all host apps look to that ONE specific system registry location to find all installed DXI's and that's the ONLY place a host app looks when it starts.
Look in your BIAB directory (C:\bb or where ever) for a file called "DXiPluginList.ini" it's built each time BIAB starts (check it's date/time stamp). If you don’t see an entry like this
"Cakewalk TTS-1={… " with a bunch of hexadecimal address/index codes in between the braces {}, then BIAB didn't see it and won’t list it as a DXi for you - in that case you might have to re-install TTS-1.
good luck Larry
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I don't know how to tell BIAB to go "look" for it. In the DXi/VSTi drop down, it's not there
If it's not there then it's somehow locked to Sonar. I used to use the TTS-1 years ago and I installed it as part of an old copy of Music Creator. After I installed MC, the TTS-1 showed up in Biab. You can't install the TTS-1 by itself, it only installs with one of Cakewalks DAW's. Maybe with the newer versions of Sonar they don't allow another program to use that synth any more. You could try searching the Cake forum to see if anybody knows how to allow another DAW access to the TTS-1.
To the larger question, with all the super softsynths you have why bother with getting any of this to work with Biab? You're moving your songs to Sonar anyway, right? Just use the mediocre sounds of the Coyote Wavetable to get whatever Biab arrangement you want, move it to Sonar and then you can change the synths and instruments. Or follow the instructions how to set up Omnisynth with Biab. Omnisynth sounds better than the TTS-1 anyway. The TTS-1 is no big deal, it's about 20 years old.
For BiaB 2014 go to "Audio" > "DXi Synth Settings ..." That will bring up the "VST/DX Synths/Plug-ins (synth in first slot)" window
Select the "Options" button to open the "DX/VST Options" sub menu:
I would try the "Scan for New DX Plug-ins..." button first. It has worked for all the DX Plug-ins I use. If that doesn't work then try "Register a New DX Plug-in ..."
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To the larger question, with all the super softsynths you have why bother with getting any of this to work with Biab? You're moving your songs to Sonar anyway, right? Just use the mediocre sounds of the Coyote Wavetable to get whatever Biab arrangement you want, move it to Sonar and then you can change the synths and instruments.
Bob
This is exactly what I do.
My wife had her driving test today. She got 8 out of 10. The other 2 jumped out of the way!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
But you may (not sure) need to install the 32-bit version of Sonar to get the 32-bit TTS-1.
For those with Music Creator, it's not a problem, because MC is a 32-bit application.
Once installed, it should show up in your DXi list. You don't have to go out and find the file for a DXi, because its information is already stored in the registry.
It definitely works with BIAB (and RealBand), though.
John
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Larry, that's what I thought too, but I didn't want to make any assumptions about DXi at this point. I will check registry and DXi list, although I predict that it won't be there and option 2 (reinstall) maybe my only one.
Jim, THAT is the info I was looking for, if I can't get TTS-1 to work there then.....
Bob, Mario, I am THIS close to working exactly as you say. I KNOW these work in Sonar, I can just dump them there and continue the process. Sampletank and TTS-1 in BIAB are just a workflow enhancement to me, it is not at all critical to getting my work done, just a convenience(a convenience that is quickly dwindling as I spend more time chasing it). Once again, I would like to thank all of you for hangin' in there with me, as I sort this out. Now that I got Sampletank to work as a GM and I have (always had) Coyote, that should be good enough, but I'm going to try your TTS-1 suggestions one last time before I move on. Tim
I have to correct something I said - it's a nit - just setting record straight.
I said:
"Look in your BIAB directory (C:\bb or where ever) for a file called 'DXiPluginList.ini' it's built each time BIAB starts (check it's date/time stamp). "
BIAB ONLY updates that .ini file when a new version of BIAB is initially installed, when you manually do a re-scan (as suggested above by Jim above), and POSSIBLY after an update is applied (I just tested that theory but it doesn't seem to be true - but I updated from build 386 to build 386 so...).
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It's all good, guys! I've given up on the TTS-1 thing and am now exporting midi to Sonar. Larry, I found everything you mentioned, and all the DXis are in the same folder. At this point I have to conclude that there is some proprietary code written into the cakewalk stuff, 'cuz I couldn't get ANYTHING cakewalk related to work in BIAB. I know I probably have a previous version of TTS-1 on a Sonar disk somewhere that will work, but forget it. I'm not pushing this boulder up the hill anymore. I have all the tools I need in Sonar, so I'm just going to migrate over to Sonar when my BIAB tracks are the way I want them. Oh, and all that GM Omnisynth stuff? I like to save the setups as presets better, because it includes any effects tweaks I've done in Sampletank.Still, it's nice to have GM for auditioning the basic styles. thanks again to all. I will post my latest song when I'm done ( it's a holiday time collaboration with my brother, so I can get out of the house and decompress for awhile, not holiday material though. Kind of a world music contemp jazz thing)
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