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I generated a Midi Violin, (Fiddle), Solo into a RB track on an tune I am working on in RB. However, it plays using a Organ sound. The Violin icon is next to the track number. The "Blue Grass Fiddle" name is in the track name area. I've tried changing to other Midi instruments, as well as generating the solo in tracks below ten and above ten. It will only play as an Organ Sound.
Any suggestions?
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Seems to be a couple of these issues in the forum right now. Check out: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=261693#Post261693Either 1) the patch is not set right in the configuration or 2)there is a cc in the song itself which is changing the patch.
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I believe you have a typo here. A CC will not change programs but a program change, sometimes called patch change, will.
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Ralph, What sound source are you using? Sound card? OS Win or Mac?
Did you generate all of the tracks or did you import a MIDI file?
If you did import a MIDI file then look at all tracks for a program change.
Like Jazzmandan said it might be a configuration problem so if we had more information we could give you a better answer.
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I believe you have a typo here. A CC will not change programs but a program change, sometimes called patch change, will. Right you are, I stand corrected. That is what I had in mind.  So if the OP is starting out with a midi file which has an unknown origin, it is not uncommon to see these patch changes embedded in the file.
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Ralph,
Yes, the patch is what controls the sound from the synth. In whatever synth you are using, be sure the patch is set correctly to violin.
BTW: Speaking of tone: There's a huge difference between the fiddle and the violin. Most synth patches are the orchestral sounding violin. Try as you may, it's hard to get a violin patch to saw away like a fiddle.
BTW#2: Did you ever watch the Beverly Hillbilly's episode where the concert violinist met the fiddler from "back in the hills"? Funny episode.
Use a real track in there. Grab a fiddle real track if you need a fiddle. Very often, when you say you want a fiddle solo, you're not meaning that you want it to play a specific melody but simply a solo that jams in the groove and acts like a spontaneous fill. The real tracks will do this nicely.
Listen to several of my songs with fiddle in them because that's how I uses the real tracks.... just spontaneous fills. Even the song Ode To Wolf is mainly a spontaneous solo/fill that was edited and looped in Sonar.
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Mario,
I am using my Line 6 UX2 interface as a soundcard with Windows 7 OS. I created the tracks in BIAB, then opened them in Realband to generate a fiddle solo. I did not import a midi file. I very much appreciate your help.
Ralph
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Jazzmandan,
Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, I am a bit of a novice with regard to BIAB and RB. What does CC and OP stand for in your post?
As I said to Mario, I am using my Line 6 UX2 interface as a soundcard with Windows 7 OS. I created the tracks in BIAB, then opened them in Realband to generate a fiddle solo. I did not import a midi file.
I have dragged and dropped the rhythm tracks, drums, guitar, strings and organ that were created in RB into Sonar X2 with no problem. I then came back to RB to generate a Fiddle solo, which I will then drag and drop into Sonar, which led to this issue.
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Ralph,
Are you using a VST/DXi software synthesiser on the track in question?
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Noel,
I'm pretty much an idiot when it comes to this. I'll tell you what I see on my Real Band tune.
Track 8, next to the 8 is a picture of a violin, in the track name it says BLUE GRASS FIDDLE, 41: violin, midi: Line 6 UX2, ch 0.
When I click on the drop down arrow, it says:
Edit VSTi/DXi, Rvb is at 40, all other parameters are at 0.
When I click on Edit VSTi/DXi, it brings up the Direct X/VST screen. In the Track box is CoyoteWT (Default),
Below that are the Edit, Bypass, Plugin with 4 boxes. The top box Edit is clicked, "Plug in" states CoyoteWT.
Below that is a list of channels 1 to 16 with the instruments. In channel 8 is prog. 41 Violin.
Now, I've been trying to get this to work, so I may have changed some defaults, however, this is what I see now.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for your help.
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What does CC and OP stand for in your post? CC - stands for continuous controller, it is a midi programing command to change effects, see here http://nickfever.com/music/midi-cc-listAlthough we already decided I should have said it was a patch or program (PC) change which actually changes the instrument playing. If this was present you can see it in the event editor. OP - is the "original poster", that is you in this case.
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Hi Ralph, I wonder if the midi channel needs setting for this track. Try the below. (I'm using Track 5 as an example. You'll need to apply it to Track 8.) ... 1. Right-click your mouse where I have marked the X 2. From the pop-up menu, select "Channel" (#1) and then click on 8 (#2). (This will set that track to midi channel 8 which is where the violin seems to be located from what you've posted.)  Let me know how it goes. Regards, Noel
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Hi Noel,
Thanks for your help.
I followed your steps above. However, now there is no sound from the track. The midi info is still there and the track is playing, but no sound. I did not change anything else.
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Hi Ralph, It sounds like we're getting closer to the solution. I suspect that the channel setting I mentioned above was on channel 0 before. It may be that in that setting the channel to midi channel 8, the volume has returned to zero. To check this, move the volume slider and slide it fully right to the zero position as shown below. Also, check that a green P is displayed and not a red M to the left of the volume slider. If an "M" is present, click on it and it will change to P.  If the above does not work, what I'd do next is to change my way through the channels one by one. That is, right-click on the X as discussed in my previous post and set the channel to 0. Check that the volume slider is set to zero and that the track is set to play (the green P). Regenerate the song and see what happens. Now repeat but this time setting the channel to channel 1. See what happens in each instance. We'll get there eventually! Regards, Noel
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Hello Noel,
Again, thanks for your help.
My progress with your last instructions went as follows: My volume slider was indeed full up to the 0 position. Where you indicate a green P, I have a green M. Clicking on it only changes it to a red M (mute) and back to green. At that point I clicked on the "Disclose More Track Info" arrow, which allowed me to change, among other things, the Exp value. I changed it from 0 to 95. It worked. Apparently, Exp is synonymous with Volume. I have dragged and dropped the track into Sonar. Everything is good for now. However, the Midi Violin solo does sound a bit cheesy. Also, I'm using the AGGRESSIVE COUNTRY ROCK RB style which is pretty straight, and the midi Violin solo has more of a swing 16th note feel. So after all this, I may not use it.
Thanks again for your help. Also thanks to everyone who responded.
Ralph
PS: Noel, I like your tunes. Very nice!
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Expression isn't synonymous with Volume, but it is similar.
Volume allows the primary range (example 0-127)
Then expression can use that range as a second layer.
So if Volume is set to 127, Expression can vary between 0 - 127.
Second Example:
Volume is set to 80 MAX .. Expression can now modify from o - 80 but no more.
So think of Volume (CC7) as the Master volume slider, then Expression (CC11) as a secondary variable that is defined/limited by the Volume settings above it.
This may help in future situations.
Kinda like using the volume on a guitar amp to set the 'volume', then using a volume/expression pedal to control it; you'll never get louder than the amp setting when the volume pedal is full on. You can only reduce from that.
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Hi Rharv,
Thanks for your post.
Question: Considering that my master volume slider was at full, and that I had no sound until I increased my Exp value from 0 to 95, was there another way to get sound on that track other than to increase the Exp value? Also, why was the Exp at 0? Is that some sort of preset when using the "Generate Midi Solo function?
Thanks again,
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Actually you should check the updates page under Support and see if there is a patch for your version. There was a period of time where Expression got set to zero if a weird set of settings existed. My recollection says (don't hold me to this) If your default track type was stereo audio and the track was a new MIDI track .. or some weird combination like that. It was resolved a while back though. I don't see mention of what version you are using. Found one mention: "Fixed: MIDI Expression not defaulting to 127 if a MIDI track is generated but the track previously was an audio track. This was causing silent MIDI playback" http://www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm
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Hi Rharv,
Thanks again. Your help is deeply appreciated.
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Remember that, if you are using a Midi compatible synth then you will find FIDDLE as patch number 111.
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