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Try this:
1. Open RealBand (2014, latest build).
2. Type a few chords.
3. Set the last bar as the end of the song.
4. Select a RealStyle.
5. Go to the Tracks window.
6. Click on the Generate button.
Instead of generating anything (like BIAB does), it brings up a long list of options. If I click on Generate All at the bottom I get an error, something along the lines of:
No previously generated tracks found, can't regenerate tracks.
Why would it tell me that? I didn't ask it to regenerate anything, I asked it to generate everything.
If I click on Generate BB tracks, it works, (at least some of the time). After that, you can use Generate All just fine.
It is this kind of user interface thing that drives me nuts. Not to mention the crashes (access violations) you get rather often after you do things you're probably not supposed to do and borderless windows left on the screen after RB exits, and that I can only get rid of using Task Manager.
It's late, so may be I shouldn't be posting frustrations this... :-)
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Try selecting a region first (to include selectingvthe entire set of bars in the song).
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Tried that just now, that does not work.
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It does behave as described in OP here.
Generate All generates all tracks marked as BB tracks or Realtracks.
It generates nothing on a New file.
It generates all of them, regardless of BB or otherwise previously generated tracks... if it is a 'not new' project.
It behaves exactly as expected when used on an existing file (ie if you open a BiaB or RB file that previously existed).
I rarely use it on a new blank projects, instead have adapted to clicking 'Generate BB Tracks' in this situation to get started.
I suppose the option could be labeled better, but its intent is clear once you notice what you already noticed; on a new project use Generate BB Tracks to 'create' the tracks .. then you can change them around in RB, and the Generate All will then do what it was designed to do. It generates all of the existing 'generatable' tracks.
I rarely want to do this, so I don't use this option much. I generate parts one at a time quite often so I can customize the style, pattern, chords better.
Last edited by rharv; 10/20/14 02:59 PM.
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But don't you think that in a program with a good UI, it would simply do the equivalent of Generate BB Tracks when there are no tracks there yet? Why give an error? Or at least, suggest to Generate BB Tracks in the error message. Ah, never mind.., :-)
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Interesting... I have never used Real Band to start a project. I have always started in BB then reopen it in RB....
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Quirky? Yes! it is strange quirks like this and inconsistencies in the use of standard GUI (things like scroll wheel) that cause me much frustration during the few times I have tried to use RB. someone here suggested I start in BIAB and then move my song over to RB but when I tried that I discovered RB does not recognize certain BIAB settings like bar settings. and it is quite slow to load unless you convert your song to RB format.
I would never, ever use RB as a DAW! It would add ages to song production! BUT, there is one RB feature I would love to have access to and that is the ability to generate RT on a bar by bar basis. Usually BIAB does a decent job but there is often one or two bars where it does something strange! So I now freeze my tracks in BIAB, save a new copy of the project, regenerate until I get a better option for the problem areas and then patch that together in my DAW.
I would love to be able to drop into RB, generate a few bars or tracks and then export those but I have yet to be able to accomplish this.
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You can - select a track, Highlight the number of bars you wish to generate, right Click and, from the extensive list of generation options, select the RT or Midi you desire.
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JohnJohnJohn,
The "Multiriff" function in BIAB sounds like it could be very useful for you, too.
This will generate up to 7 versions of the same Realtrack. I often use multiriff to get multiple RT versions, especially for solos, and then I piece together a single compiled track.
This might save you a significant amount of time.
Regards,
Noel
P.S. The reason RB is seemingly slow to load is because it generates completed tracks before it's ready to play. BIAB, on the other hand, only partially generates tracks and, after a few bars have been completed, playback starts. The rest of the tracks are generated as a background process while playback is occurring.
Last edited by Noel96; 10/23/14 01:49 AM. Reason: correcting typos
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JohnJohnJohn,
The "Multiriff" function in BIAB sounds like it could be very useful for you, too.
This will generate up to 7 versions of the same Realtrack. I often use multirfill to get multiple RT versions, especially for solos, and then I piece together a single compiled track.
This might save you a significant amount of time.
Regards,
Noel
P.S. The reason RB is seemingly slow to load is because it generates completed tracks before it's ready to play. BIAB, on the other hand, only partially generates tracks and, after a few bars have been completed, playback starts. The rest of the tracks are generated as a background process while playback is occurring. Noel, you are probably the only person here who could convince me to keep trying RB!  I really do appreciate all of your support and helpful information. I benefit from your replies even when I do not have any current interest in the topic.
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Hmm, I made a post last night that seems to have disappeared. But don't you think that in a program with a good UI, it would simply do the equivalent of Generate BB Tracks when there are no tracks there yet? Why give an error? Or at least, suggest to Generate BB Tracks in the error message. Ah, never mind.., :-) The gist of my missing post was that I don't use this method that often because of my work flow so haven't noticed them, but YES I do think the suggested behaviors would be an improvement. Send email to Support of at least post this in the RB WishList forum in hopes they make this change.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Hi John, Noel, you are probably the only person here who could convince me to keep trying RB! smile I really do appreciate all of your support and helpful information. I benefit from your replies even when I do not have any current interest in the topic. Thank you That's lifted today for me! I don't mix songs in Realband, I prefer to use Reaper, but RB is an important part of the song-assembly process for me. As mentioned above, I find "multiriff" incredibly useful. Simply right click on a track and select it from the pop-up menu. The rest is pretty much self-explanatory.  I also like being able to generate sections of a RT though, to be honest, since multiriff came along, I don't do that too much any more. (Amongst other things, I use multiriff to create a number of tracks and then I listen through the tracks to see if there are instrumental sections that I might be able to copy and paste and use as hooks.) RB is a great place to test run different tracks (midi and RT) to see if they sound good in a mix. The 48 tracks in RB as opposed to 7 tracks in BIAB makes it very useful. Once I have the tracks organised, I then export them to Reaper. I also use Realband to add vocal harmony ... With vocals, I record them in Reaper and use Reatune to touch up the million or so notes that are a bit wonky. I then export the tuned, dry vocal track to Realband and use TC Helicon to add some harmony. (Click on the vocal track, CTRL+A to select it, and then follow the pathway shown below to get to TC Helicon.)  After this, I take the harmony tracks back to Reaper and mix them appropriately with the lead vocals. The generated harmony tracks do have an electronic sound to them but, if they are mixed at low volume, they can be very effective. If you go to my signature, click the link to Vimeo and listen to "Dare To Dream the Impossible" and "Jamaican Moon", you'll get some idea of how I use multiriff and TC Helicon (I usually add a touch of harmony to the second and third choruses). Also, if you follow the Soundcloud link in my signature, go to the bottom of the songs, you'll find "Wait And See" with floyd jane's added BIABettes (in the last chorus). When it comes to using TC Helicon for choral effects, floyd's a real artist! So my advice ... don't give up on Realband. It can be incredibly useful. All the best, Noel
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Hi Noel! OK. I have to admit you intrigued me enough to open up RB again tonight and it looks like I just spent the better part of the past 4 hours on this!! First thing I tried is that MultiRiff feature you told me about and that is indeed a very cool feature. Seems like I could add this one RB feature to my toolkit and be way ahead of the game! I generated 7 different riffs for the lead instrument for the whole song and then saved them as WAV files to bring into my DAW (Reaper). I can certainly see how this can open up a whole lot more options by having multiple tracks of the instrument to cut & paste around my song!! One thing I feel I should spend more time with is using that MultiRiff feature while inside RB to customize my track one section at a time until I have it exactly how I want it. That might even eliminate the need to save multiple tracks and cut & paste in my DAW! I will have to play with this further to see if it is better for my workflow than simply regenerating a track bar by bar in RB. Thanks again for all your help! -John
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Oh, also Noel, I tried out the TC-Helicon feature you told me about. I think I had tried this in BIAB some time ago. I found that I needed to bring my original BIAB song back in with the vocal track in order to give it something to key off of for chords.
Weird thing it is doing though...when I ask for 2up+2down it only gives me 3 harmony tracks instead of the expected 4! Any idea why it does that?
And, is there any way you know of to improve the sound quality of those generated harmonies? I agree with you that they currently have to be way down in the mix because they do sound kinda mechanical. I have a physical stompbox from TC-Helicon that generates harmonies and I am pretty sure it does a better job. Wonder if there is any software update available for this module in BIAB/RB?
What I ended up doing in the song I was working on was record two harmony tracks of me singing and then use the TC-Helicon harmony tracks at a much lower volume to fill in the harmony parts. I need to try this finished mix on various systems as I'm afraid adding all of these tracks may muddy things up too much.
But again, I am seeing another way RB can be an asset to my toolbox so thank you once more!!
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Hi John,
That's great news! I promise that you will not be disappointed that you've learnt how to drive Multiriff.
In relation to TC Helicon, I get the best results when I tune the vocal to start with. That still doesn't stop it sounding electronic but it does reduce the octave jumps a little.
One thing that Mac always recommends with TC Helicon is to use it to generate harmony and then for the singer to learn to sing the harmony lines. These real vocals can then be added to the mix and there is no mechanical/electronic sound at all. (TC Helicon still plays an important part in getting these results.)
All the best,
Noel
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