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All I could add to that is that I have used ViLabs Ravenscroft Piano (32gigs) and 64bit version, with no issues, along with a couple of instruments in Sampletank 3 (also 64bit). Maybe I was lucky, but I didn't notice anything crashing - although maybe those two are not really pushing the limits..? Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE BIAB to be native 64bit  , all I'm saying is it seems to work okay with J-bridge for me.
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Lingyai, I'm in the same boat!
I did not test the limits as you have because I found that using jBridge to be a PITA (no hate mail please this is just my opinion and YMMV).
Because of BiaB is 32 bit I do no editing in BiaB. I just find a style I want, move tracks to Sonar and do all of my editing and sound selection there. I also have a lot of excellent Kontakt sounds as well as a number of other 64 bit VSTis. I would love to do a lot more work in BiaB, it would be easier in the long run for reasons that you have mentioned, with these 64 bit VSTis.
RTs are the main stream of BiaB now. They are excellent and have their place, I use them almost exclusively for clients who want to do a CD for family and friends, but I rarely use them myself. MIDI is the main stream for the rest of the music business.
Although I find BiaB very limited because it is 32 bit I also find it very useful and in fact virtually all of my songs start in BiaB. I will upgrade again but probably just the program upgrade. I wish that BiaB would put more emphasis on MIDI and 64 bit because like you I can see a much bigger market for it, again just my opinion.
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I agree that
-- the RealStyles are superb (unlike you, I do find they definitely work in some of my own stuff, in fact in some cases really push it to a next level); they are a truly unique selling proposition for PGM, deservedly so, for me they are up there in the Pantheon of Innovations alongside the likes of Melodyne, just revolutionarily great. So I will be upgrading just those for those. (Actually, I wish there were a way I could just get the new styles instead of updating the whole app, but I digress)..
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-- yeah, midi opens up the doors exponentially in terms of what you can do with the results. So, as a tangent, I wish PGM would beef up the library of the various midi-based styles, it seems they are like the poor cousin. The apparent success / popularity of VSTIs like EZKeys shows there is demand for well-executed chord and style-based midi composition software.
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>> Yes, when j-bridged, 32 bit BIAB will let me load up and play libraries in 64 bit Kontakt – but only if the Kontakt instruments stay below the memory limits imposed by BIAB's 32-bit design.
Kontact is a 64 bit VST - it is using the memory, not jBridge or Band-in-a-Box (have a look at Band-in-a-Box memory use when you load that 9GB VST- it won't budge - because the VST is just passing it buffers of audio during playback that are then discarded by Band-in-a-Box after use.
So if it (the VST) is telling you that it is out of memory, then the 64-bit VST is out of 64 bit memory. There is no 32 bit limit for VST's jBridged to a 32 bit app like Band-in-a-Box. Perhaps you could be more specific than "out of memory", such as what app gave the message, and what did it say exactly.
If you're using a 9GB sample library, you're already over the memory limits of Win7 64-bit Basic, and it of course depends what other apps you have running, and how your VST manages memory when loading in different VST's - if it keeps them in memory, then you could easily get "out of memory"
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>> Yes, when j-bridged, 32 bit BIAB will let me load up and play libraries in 64 bit Kontakt – but only if the Kontakt instruments stay below the memory limits imposed by BIAB's 32-bit design.
Kontact is a 64 bit VST - it is using the memory, not jBridge or Band-in-a-Box (have a look at Band-in-a-Box memory use when you load that 9GB VST- it won't budge - because the VST is just passing it buffers of audio during playback that are then discarded by Band-in-a-Box after use.
So if it (the VST) is telling you that it is out of memory, then the 64-bit VST is out of 64 bit memory. There is no 32 bit limit for VST's jBridged to a 32 bit app like Band-in-a-Box. Perhaps you could be more specific than "out of memory", such as what app gave the message, and what did it say exactly.
If you're using a 9GB sample library, you're already over the memory limits of Win7 64-bit Basic, and it of course depends what other apps you have running, and how your VST manages memory when loading in different VST's - if it keeps them in memory, then you could easily get "out of memory"
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The next time you get an error message about out-of-memory, open task manager and see what-memory us being used by what-program Thanks Peter for your response. In this case I am using Windows 7 64 Pro ; and as I mentioned, the very same 64-bit Kontakt multi which works fine in 64-bit Sonar won't in 32-bit BIAB. Do I understand you correctly to say that this being the case, it should run from within BIAB ? Have you or your colleagues actually seen this happen in a test?
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All I could add to that is that I have used ViLabs Ravenscroft Piano (32gigs) and 64bit version, with no issues, along with a couple of instruments in Sampletank 3 (also 64bit). Maybe I was lucky, but I didn't notice anything crashing - although maybe those two are not really pushing the limits..? Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE BIAB to be native 64bit , all I'm saying is it seems to work okay with J-bridge for me. Just to clarify -- you had all 32 gb loaded and used within BIAB, and it worked fine? Or is that the total library size, only a portion (for example, with only certain .nkis loaded and / or unused samples purged) actually resident in RAM?
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Physical Memory Limits: Windows 7
That's physical memory. Aren't VSTs concerned with VIRTUAL memory? 64-bit apps can default to the old 2-GB address space. Maybe that is what has happened here. A 64-bit app should have access to 8 terabytes of virtual memory. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384271%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
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Regarding the copy protection... I had never been a fan, but understand that an audience of musicians (being a particularly impecunious one) means the likelihood of piracy is much higher than an Accounting program for example. I have had a few cases where re-installs of my OS have chewed up my licenses, and PG Music has always been gracious and fair about restoring my lost ones.
Were this not the case, I'd be upset, but we are dealing with a highly ethical and customer-focused company.
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Lingyai, There is another approach to the issue of hearing a composition as intended without having to switch back and forth between programs: ReWire. Following are the beginning paragraphs of the linked Wiki entry. "ReWire is a software protocol, jointly developed by Propellerhead and Steinberg, allowing remote control and data transfer among digital audio editing and related software. Originally appearing in the ReBirth software synthesizer in 1998, the protocol has since evolved into an industry standard. "Currently used in Mac OS and Microsoft Windows 32-bit or 64-bit audio applications, ReWire enables the simultaneous transfer of up to 256 audio tracks of arbitrary resolution and 4080 channels of MIDI data. This allows, for example, the output from synthesizer software to be fed directly into a linear editor without the use of intermediate files or analog transfers. There are also provisions to remotely trigger actions, such as starting and stopping recording." I have successfully used ReWire to link Steinberg's Nuendo DAW and Propellerhead Reason 3, which was then only a soft synth and effects suite, before it became a true DAW in its own right. Most major digital audio software incorporates ReWire, but not PG Music products. I and others have been requesting it for many years, believing it to be the solution to many issues. I urge you to read the linked Wiki piece and consider whether it might address your needs. Richard
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I have successfully used ReWire to link Steinberg's Nuendo DAW and Propellerhead Reason 3,
But again, if you want to synthesize in a different program / space, you need to get the MIDI from one app into the second app. Rewire can synchronize the timing, but a problem here is that PGMusic seems to be moving IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION strategically. The early versions of styles were all 100% MIDI based. Now virtually all of the development is on proprietary sounds that can only be synthesized from inside the PGMusic products (RealTracks, RealDrums). In short, BIAB simply doesn't play well with other products any more. That seems an awful shame because BIAB is such a wonderful tool
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All I could add to that is that I have used ViLabs Ravenscroft Piano (32gigs) and 64bit version, with no issues, along with a couple of instruments in Sampletank 3 (also 64bit). Maybe I was lucky, but I didn't notice anything crashing - although maybe those two are not really pushing the limits..? Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE BIAB to be native 64bit , all I'm saying is it seems to work okay with J-bridge for me. Just to clarify -- you had all 32 gb loaded and used within BIAB, and it worked fine? Or is that the total library size, only a portion (for example, with only certain .nkis loaded and / or unused samples purged) actually resident in RAM? AFAIK, Ravenscroft, Sampletank and others (probably Kontakt too) with these large sample libraries actually stream from disk, they are not loaded into RAM...it is the "modelling" VSTi's that use RAM exclusively. I have not heard of a modelling VSTi that uses more than 4gig of RAM at any one time. Streaming VSTi's, well at least to my way of thinking, have, relatively, very little effect on RAM. So I would tend to agree perhaps with PG, that your "out of memory" problem could indeed be coming from somewhere else and not BIAB/J-Bridge....btw what version of J-Bridge are you using? AFAIK, you need at least 1.7b for 64bit bridging to be successful. I had some issues when I was using a lower version of J-Bridge, but once I updated it, no issues at all. Not saying you are incorrect in your experiences, all I can write about is mine, and maybe it might help "jog" something you recall about your system which may help.
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With Kontakt, you can watch it loading the samples. If you use Session Brass in performance mode, for example, it takes a long time to load and it loads about 2GB of data before you can use it.
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I have successfully used ReWire to link Steinberg's Nuendo DAW and Propellerhead Reason 3,
But again, if you want to synthesize in a different program / space, you need to get the MIDI from one app into the second app. Rewire can synchronize the timing, but a problem here is that PGMusic seems to be moving IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION strategically. The early versions of styles were all 100% MIDI based. Now virtually all of the development is on proprietary sounds that can only be synthesized from inside the PGMusic products (RealTracks, RealDrums). In short, BIAB simply doesn't play well with other products any more. That seems an awful shame because BIAB is such a wonderful tool Pumps2, I'm not sure the "direction" is relevant. Each program does what it does best, but operate from a common transport control. It is true that one program must be designated as a Master and the other as a Slave. Most ReWire-equipped programs can act as either (although, oddly, Propellerhead's flagship product, Reason, cannot). At any rate, as I envision this, audio and MIDI would be moving from BIAB into another DAW, which itself could also record audio. That's how it worked with the Reason/Nuendo lashup. Richard
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For the 32 vs 64 bit discussion ... it doesn't have to be one or the other. Most every piece of music related software I own has an install option for 32 or 64 bit. And in most case, you can install twice to have both versions available.
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For the 32 vs 64 bit discussion ... it doesn't have to be one or the other. Most every piece of music related software I own has an install option for 32 or 64 bit. And in most case, you can install twice to have both versions available.
…Except PG Music products, which is where this conversation started.
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No 64 Bit for BIAB 2016 is very disappointing. I'm still not upgrading.
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For the 32 vs 64 bit discussion ... it doesn't have to be one or the other. Most every piece of music related software I own has an install option for 32 or 64 bit. And in most case, you can install twice to have both versions available.
…Except PG Music products, which is where this conversation started. My point was that having a 64 bit version of BiaB doesn't have to mean an end to 32 bit versions ... which some folks have expressed concern about. I'll use more words in the future
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