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I've been watching this forum regularly since BIAB 2015 for Windows was released as I want to upgrade from 2014. However, the number of problems other folks are having with 2015 are beginning to put me off. All I want is a proper bug-free working product for making music but, as things stand, I think I would be spending more time trying to work around the many bugs that this program has. Does anybody know if PG Music intend to release the definitive 'fix' for all the problems in the near future?
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My thoughts are this: there will NEVER be a "definitive" fix for all the problems. Here's why - in developing complex software, there are always areas of the problem to be solved that are not as well understood as others - and you can only create software that implements "what you know". Making music is a VERY complex problem, with lots of areas for misunderstanding and lots of areas for just plain, "I don't know". In addition, writers of software do so with their own ideas about how the resulting product will be used - but actual users almost ALWAYS come up with new and creative ways to use products. Creative endeavors are always like that.
Microsoft, which has LOTS of developer and analyst resources still has bugs in their software. PG Music has a talented group of analysts, developers and musicians working on it, but do not have the resources of Microsoft, so we cannot ever assume that the software will be perfect in all usage scenarios.
So, when you decide whether or not to upgrade, seriously consider - there are LOTS of people making LOTS of music and having LOTS of fun with BIAB 2015. There are also some that are having problems with it. Your question to answer is: do I want the new features badly enough, and can I make ENOUGH of my music to justify the potential frustrations along the way. If the answer is yes, then upgrade. Otherwise, wait.
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Hi rasta,
I have 2015 that I run on Vista 32-bit. It is running fine and is as stable as 2014 for me. (I have the Everything Pak.)
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Here's my take on this issue.
I have seen lots of releases on new software from a variety of companies....
As soon as it comes out, everyone rushes to buy it and the complaints start rolling in. Never fails.
I, at some point, decide to take the plunge and buy it/upgrade.
I install it according to the instructions, and load the updates (if any) and start the program. 99.9% of the time I have ZERO issues. I can't even duplicate some of the issues if I try.
So, if you want to upgrade.... go ahead and do it. Don't worry about issues that someone else is having because there is a good chance you will not have troubles.
Issues can come from a variety of other issues..... hardware in the other machine..... people pushing the limits..... full hard drives....... etc....
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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+1 Well said Mark. Welcome to the forum. Later, Ray
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I agree with Mark and Noel.
rastas66, from your forum registration date, you may have only been through one release of BIAB, and if you didn't buy in early December, you may not know that it is perfectly normal to release a few quick patches. I consider that the company does this to be a tremendous strength, not a problem.
In my usage so far, version 2015 has the fewest problems of all recent BIAB releases, and I have experience with BIAB going back to the early 1990s.
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I held off until 30 Dec 14 before placing my order.
But I do agree with you, and almost did not place my order at all.
Seems to be many more problems being reported for this release than any previous releases.
This is the first time I felt more fearful in placing my order than excitement.
I am hoping that by ordering the DVDs and not attempting the download option, maybe I won't encounter as many negative issues.
(But I'm still waiting for the DVDs to arrive)
There are a great bunch of folks here on the forum and at PG music that have helped me with problems in the past and I have never got stuck with any unresolved problems.
So with that past success, I took the chance and renewed again this year.
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All good information above.
Keep in mind that the discounted upgrade price will very likely not be extended beyond Jan 15th. PG Music periodically release patches, so you will be able to get these if available.
I'm running 2015, with no 'show-stopper' issues.
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A extremely hard decision this year for a number of different reasons. It will likely come down to the wire....
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I've been watching this forum regularly since BIAB 2015 for Windows was released as I want to upgrade from 2014. However, the number of problems other folks are having with 2015 are beginning to put me off. All I want is a proper bug-free working product for making music but, as things stand, I think I would be spending more time trying to work around the many bugs that this program has. Does anybody know if PG Music intend to release the definitive 'fix' for all the problems in the near future? There are no must-have features in 2015 that I have noticed; the top feature they advertise is improved GUI but it has honestly "improved" very little (maybe we have moved from Win 3 to Win 3.1!)  After using it for just a few weeks I'd say 2015 is no more buggy than 2014. So if you are concerned about bugs I have not seen any in 2015 that would make me avoid it. I upgraded the day it went on sale to get all of the new RealTracks. Had it only been about the new features I would have waited this one out. But, I am addicted to RealTracks!
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Thanks J3, that is helpful. Actually, my main criteria is "will it help me play better"? That is my current priority as I have initiated a woodshedding effort to improve my playing skills.
Up to now my answer to this question is "no, it will not". Actually, I have convinced myself that BIAB has been detrimental to my playing over the past years. Too much reliance on the program and not forcing myself to do my part.
So I passed when the New Year dead line came. Time will tell what happens come Jan 15??
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By the way, Peter Gannon has already identified fixes that will appear in the next build. Remember that asking about updates on this forum usually makes little sense, as we are but users and do not speak for PG Music.
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>> Up to now my answer to this question is "no, it will not". Actually, I have convinced myself that BIAB has been detrimental to my playing over the past years. Too much reliance on the program and not forcing myself to do my part.
Wow, that's (seriously) the first time in 26 years that I've heard someone say that BIAB has been detrimental to their playing. I'm talking about if you play along with it, not just watch it. With the addition of RealTracks there are lots of ways to learn from BIAB.
What instrument do you play?
I play guitar and piano. I find that Band-in-a-Box improves my playing of both of those.
For example:
- playing along in time with other instruments is by itself great practice, and with RealTracks is a lot more fun because it sounds good.
- choosing from RealTracks artists on my instrument allows me to hear (and see in notation and fretobard) what they are playing.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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>>> the number of problems other folks are having with 2015 are beginning to put me off.
fwiw, there have been a lot less support issues with Band-in-a-Box 2015 compared to previous releases.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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One thing to remember, is that the special ends January 15, and doesn't get extended beyond that. So for example, the Everything Pak upgrade that you can get for $159 goes up to $379 on January 16. Getting the current (2015) version also means that you get all the free updates during the year.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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Actually, I have convinced myself that BIAB has been detrimental to my playing over the past years. Too much reliance on the program and not forcing myself to do my part. I can understand what you mean, but I think it's misconstrued. There is such a thing as rubato playing or free timing. I prefer playing some jazz ballads solo, I can pause, steep up or slow down as I please. Also a band can hide a bit of sloppy playing (to a degree, if it must). However, you need BOTH SKILLS Despite its many foibles bugs etc - and I am a critic. BIAB is simply the BEST  it just needs to get better... Also: Compare the price of new real tracks with buying a stack of play along songs. I buy simply for the new RTs. Z
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Heres a vote for upgrading. No problems to speak of since upgrading to 2015. But I don't do anything with it but play the jukebox while I work on my websites so what difference does it make to me??? Someday I'm going to make some music with this program. Just gotta catch up on all my work first!!!
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Actually, my main criteria is "will it help me play better"?
Up to now my answer to this question is "no, it will not". Actually, I have convinced myself that BIAB has been detrimental to my playing over the past years.
Dan, you should perhaps try thinking of BiaB as being other members of a band. If you were playing with real professional musicians, even just rehearsing, you would probably put in a fairly serious effort to keep up, deliver your best. Too much reliance on the program and not forcing myself to do my part.
You answered your problem. It's up to you, not BiaB! (PS: 3 days left...)
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
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