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Melodyne Information #279193 01/10/15 06:37 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California Carolyne OP Apprentice
OP Carolyne Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California	Can some of you experts out there provide some input on Melodyne in relation to how to use it with BIAB/RT? Is it user friendly? Thanks, Carolyne Last edited by Carolyne; 01/10/15 06:38 AM.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #279194 01/10/15 06:58 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,514 Florida floyd jane Veteran
floyd jane Veteran Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 12,514 Florida	The version that you need for it to be useful (with the full editor), is expensive. It takes a while to learn it well - to be effective - it is not intuitive. You are a very good singer. You DO NOT NEED IT. That's my opinion, of course. If you have a few notes in a vocal track that aren't quite right, re-sing it. It takes far less time. Keep it real. floyd 150+ Songs produced using BIAB RealTracks And 50 more... and some more...

Re: Melodyne Information floyd jane #279202 01/10/15 07:51 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,355 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,355 Melbourne, Australia	I second Floyd's comment. I don't think you need it Carolyne. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #279209 01/10/15 09:26 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,815 Kemmrich Expert
Kemmrich Expert Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,815	I got melodyne essential for $49 and I use it in Sonar, mainly on the backing and harmony vocals. I only got it because sonar's v-vocal always crashed on me. I would love to have melodyne editor, but it is expensive (an on-sale upgrade from essential is around $149, though). Wonderful tool, worth having in the arsenal. Now at bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh @ bandcamp or soundcloud: Kevin @ soundcloud

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #279213 01/10/15 09:57 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC	Yes... Melodyne is not cheap.... but it is the best out there for doing transparent pitch correction. You can keep it real while still getting pitch perfect or close....I often use ME to correct... but NOT perfectly. In Dust on the Floor, it was used on the vocals but there's a few notes that I actually needed to place at -10 cents rather than dead on the pitch. Used properly, you lose none of the emotion and add no artifacts and get a vocal track that sounds really good. Most of the time... with a good singer such as yourself, the difference is not a major difference. However, if you're releasing the song or using it to demo, then you want it to be presented in the best light. As picky as my ears can be on pitch, the industry folks are often more discerning. Even the best of singers can not hit every note perfectly. Rather than trying to punch record the flaws, ME lets you fix some pretty bad mistakes.... not only pitch, but timing issues, and vibrato....increase or decrease vibrato, as well as pitch drift. Some singers like to slide into a note.... or out of a note.... that can be fixed as well. check your PM Last edited by Guitarhacker; 01/10/15 10:03 AM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280226 01/15/15 09:40 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,646 Kentucky P PgFantastic Veteran
PgFantastic Veteran P Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,646 Kentucky	I use melodyne to correct vocals, it can also be used to make and effect sound on a vocal, or if someone has hit a sour note on an instrument it can be used to correct that. You can take your vocal and then raise or lower it to create very realistic harmonies. If you have any further questions, just send me a private message and i will try and help any way I can. My Tunes Psalm 57:7 My heart, O God, is steadfast, my heart is steadfast; I will sing and make music.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280300 01/16/15 05:02 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,415 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,415 Hamlin NY	Carolyne I have Melodyne Editor and would also be glad to help. Although I do use Melodyne like Robert that is not my main use. I like to take audio files and convert them into MIDI. Meloldyne is the best audio to MIDI converter that I have found. Melodyne Essential does monophonic while the Editor does both monophonic and polyphonic. It is really fascinating when you take a fingerpicked guitar part and have it sound like a zither! Or take a guitar chord and have it play as horns. Even take a string RT, convert it to MIDI then lower or raise it an octave, i.e. instant full string orchestra. Plus when using with some other RTs you do not need an expensive MIDI sound source. The options are endless. I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280358 01/16/15 09:37 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA sslechta Veteran
sslechta Veteran Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 2,732 St. Louis, MO. USA	Creative on your uses there Mario. I recently picked up Essentials and got the $149 offer to upgrade to Editor. I'll probably pick it up just to have that polyphonic ability to convert to MIDI. I'm enjoying the capabilities currently provided on Essentials in mono. P.S. - Carolyne, although most folks do not think you need it, the lower cost Essentials version would be good for you to tweak your vocal say if you were off a half step on one note for example. I think Sweetwater offers that version for $69. Steve BIAB/RB 2022, Pro Tools 2020, Korg N5, JBL LSR 4328 Powered Monitors, AKG/Shure Mics. PC: Win11 PRO, 4 TB M2 SSD, 2 TB HD, 128 GB Memory

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280359 01/16/15 09:38 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,314 Wauconda DrDan Veteran
DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,314 Wauconda	The less you have to use it the better it is. But either way it is a good tool to have. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud (Tip: No need to create a SC account to hear music - just hit ESC ).

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280497 01/17/15 04:15 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC	I have never used melodyne editor in the way Mario mentions... using it to convert audio to midi. I know it can do that but I've personally never used it that way. There are other ways it can be used and I don't use it that way either. People who say that a singer, no matter how good doesn't need some pitch correction now and then ...well... I won't address that here. OK granted, back in the early days, the Beatles for example didn't have the advantage of using Melodyne....however, you can find stories of how they literally worked for days on end to get the vocal track to ONE, two minute and thirty second song right. Paul and John would double track their vocals and get them exact and pitch perfect.... but it took them dozens of hours to do that. I don't think there's a single vocalist artist today who doesn't use ME or something else to correct their vocals in the studio. None of them have the time or the work ethic to spend the time that the Lads from Liverpool did. So for us non-professionals who don't sing for a living..... ME is the perfect tool to use to fix vocal tracks and other tracks....I use this on bass, piano, guitar, sax, and just about anything else that needs it. Using it means the difference between having a vocal track that sounds like a home bedroom/living room recording and something that might have been recorded professionally. For the price of Melodyne Essentials.... if the only thing is does is pitch and timing.... it's worth every dime because while I have the full blown Editor version, I mainly use the pitch and timing editing functions. On occasion I go full poly mode. Buy it and buy a good DAW that lets you edit easily. 2 essential tools to have for the serious home recording enthusiast. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280519 01/17/15 06:41 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC Pat Marr Veteran
Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC	Caroline, I'm going to weigh in on the opinion that the learning curve is NOT that bad. If you have ever edited MIDI notes in piano roll, it works exactly the same way. You can use it at a very simple level to fix timing problems, pitch problems or to shorten or elongate notes. The cheapest version of melodyne can do what I just described. The more expensive versions are capable of more... and that's also where the real learning curve begins. Even if you aren't using it to pitch correct bad vocals, as an audio editor it has no rival. You can use it to clean up a track in ways other audio editors could not. I see it as a "must have" tool for anybody who is serious about home recording. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280521 01/17/15 06:54 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC Pat Marr Veteran
Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC	regarding your question about using it with RealBand: Melodyne opens seamlessly inside some DAWs to allow track editing without leaving the DAW. Real Band doesn't interface with Melodyne that way. In order to use Melodyne with RB, you'll have to export your track as a WAV, open it in Melodyne, make your edits, save the new version, then replace the old track in RB with the new track. If you are using ASIO in RB, you'll probably want to close RB entirely before you open Melodyne, because unless Melodyne is running ASIO, its very hard to tell which note is making which sound. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Melodyne Information Guitarhacker #280526 01/17/15 07:20 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California Carolyne OP Apprentice
OP Carolyne Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California	Well, I certainly didn’t mean to start a firestorm with the Melodyne. I think I can make it easy for everyone. I have been a professional singer for more than thirty years, and have been blessed to have worked with some of the best musicians, on the San Francisco hotel and country club circuits, and throughout Central California. While singing is not new to me; writing, recording, mixing and mastering are. While I certainly don’t consider myself a bad singer, my lying ears tell me that I have a tendency to sometimes sing a quarter tone flat. So pervasive is this tendency, that it has almost become a trademark. To some extent it identifies me as a stylist, so I have no desire to have perfectly altered vocals. If I recorded a song in a professional studio, and the technician did not edit my vocals so I would sound my best self, he or she would be fired. My musician friends tell me the only jazz singer they knew to have perfect pitch was Ella Fitzgerald. In fact, they say the band actually tuned their instruments to her voice. Until such time as I can sing like Ella, which won’t be during my Earthly life, I’ll use whatever I can to show me at my best. I intend to invest in some version of Melodyne. Because I ‘m not sure of my technical ability to use it however, those of you who have encouraged me should be warned that I’m going to be on this forum daily asking for help. (LOL!) I appreciate all of the comments, encouragement, and support received, and I’m honored to be part of this forum. Best to all, Carolyne

Re: Melodyne Information Pat Marr #280528 01/17/15 07:41 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California Carolyne OP Apprentice
OP Carolyne Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California	Originally Posted By: Pat Marr regarding your question about using it with RealBand: Melodyne opens seamlessly inside some DAWs to allow track editing without leaving the DAW. Real Band doesn't interface with Melodyne that way. In order to use Melodyne with RB, you'll have to export your track as a WAV, open it in Melodyne, make your edits, save the new version, then replace the old track in RB with the new track. If you are using ASIO in RB, you'll probably want to close RB entirely before you open Melodyne, because unless Melodyne is running ASIO, its very hard to tell which note is making which sound. This was really good info. I don't use ASIO I use MME. Does that make a difference? Thanks -Carolyne

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280584 01/17/15 12:41 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC	Carolyne, this isn't a firestorm in any way shape or form. It's educational. Talking and listening to others is how you learn. I'm going to agree with Pat Marr in saying that the learning curve with Melodyne when you use it to pitch correct is very short. I believe I was fixing vocals in about 10 minutes after I had it installed for the first time. It's that easy to use. The thing is that Essential is always upgradeable as needs increase. Once you know how to work with it... using it is a piece of cake and you can see at a quick glance if a note is on or off pitch. The staff there call the notes "blobs" and the software lets you move them around. Simply click and drag or edit by typing in the numbers. Not only can you edit the pitch.... you can also edit the vibrato levels and fix notes that are in other ways, not right. Kinda hard to describe it but I know it when I hear it and it can be fixed. If you came in early or late, it's fixable too. The best thing about Melodyne is that it can be totally transparent. For example..... can you hear anywhere in the track I returned to you the artifacts of where pitch correction was used? My guess would be that you can not. Considering that it was working with stereo tracks.... I should have converted to mono first but didn't (my mistake). About the artifacts, I don't think you can tell where I corrected. It's also one thing to say you sing with character and finesse. It's another to say that singing flat is a trademark. I think if you started putting your vocals on pitch in the places that count....and leave it flat in a few places where it adds character.... there will not be any repercussions from the other musicians you work with. In fact I'd wager the reaction might even be the opposite. I think you'd get complimented on the vox. Singers tend to use 2 or 3 things.... They say, I sing that way because it adds character.... or they use excess vibrato to cover the off pitch factor. Neither of those are good things for a singer to do....and trust me when I tell you, I used both on my own singing. Noobs in recording also use excessive FX to try to make their singing sound better. None of those are valid excuses or practices IMHO. On the vocal track I worked on for you, I did not fix everything. I went through and fixed the important notes.... the ones that really needed to be on pitch. Other places I left it a bit flat. Some notes where a full half step or more flat. Some of the notes, when I corrected it to pitch did NOT sound good.... go figure that one out.... so using melodyne's precise editing function, I simply entered the pitch cents that I wanted to flatten the note. A minus 20 cents, while not on pitch, in fact sounded the best to my ears. So I left a bunch of notes...I think I did that in 4 or 5 places. I also used ME to lessen the vibrato in a few places where it was excessively strong.... Placing the note on pitch and lessening the vibrato was a major improvement on the places where I did it. REQUEST: It would be interesting if you would put 2 links up. Link to the original song...smooth jazz like you first posted....and then also the same smooth jazz version with the corrected vocal track I sent back to you. That way, folks who wanted to compare them and hear what was done could A/B them both. Trying to compare the jazz version with the country version is not a good way to hear the difference in the vocal track since the BGM distracts. Of course.... keep in mind... the changes I made to this track were based on WHAT I THOUGHT would be an improvement to the track. 10 other people would have done it 10 different ways..... Last edited by Guitarhacker; 01/17/15 12:45 PM. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280595 01/17/15 01:21 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,502 GA USA Janice & Bud Veteran
Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 15,502 GA USA	Hmmmmm....I've followed this with some interest and obviously, at least to me, some good points have been made. I gather that some folks are of the notion that ALL vocals need "fixing" to greater and lesser degrees. I don't have a lot of guitar or bass (my instrument) hot chops but I do have a pretty good ear for pitch. Sure before this technology was available a lot of singers did many takes to get it "right;" however, before sound on sound and from what I've researched mutiple takes were much less common. Listen to some of the big band singers from the 1930's-1940's -- wanna "fix" their vocals? I damn sure don't. Go back a little further and listen to blues and jazz. I have ZERO problems with Billie Holiday and many others. So much of what I define as soul in singing is essentially a lot of the little nuances, the sometimes ever so slight roughness around the edges, the subtle characteristics that technically might some require "fixing" to some producers. One of our favorite singers said that he didn't care so much about the genre but whether not the singer had soul. I think it would be pretty easy to "fix" away all the soul in a vocal. To get it closer to home. Janice is what back in our bluegrass days we called a "bent note" singer. it's the way she sings and she sings hardly one bar over the same way. We've never double tracked -- that might be interesting given what I just pointed out! She's always moving notes around -- maybe to some ears she stops too soon or too late when she lands the note. What I hear is, well, her style. I couldn't imaging attempting to "fix" her vocals no matter how subtle the "needed" changes might be. Perhaps melody might take it out of our music room onto the next tier, level or whatever. But we simply don't want to go there. Pardon the ole phart ramble and zero offense meant to folks who differ. Incoming!! Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.

Re: Melodyne Information Janice & Bud #280604 01/17/15 01:50 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California Carolyne OP Apprentice
OP Carolyne Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 214 California	Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud Hmmmmm....I've followed this with some interest and obviously, at least to me, some good points have been made. I gather that some folks are of the notion that ALL vocals need "fixing" to greater and lesser degrees. I don't have a lot of guitar or bass (my instrument) hot chops but I do have a pretty good ear for pitch. Sure before this technology was available a lot of singers did many takes to get it "right;" however, before sound on sound and from what I've researched mutiple takes were much less common. Listen to some of the big band singers from the 1930's-1940's -- wanna "fix" their vocals? I damn sure don't. Go back a little further and listen to blues and jazz. I have ZERO problems with Billie Holiday and many others. So much of what I define as soul in singing is essentially a lot of the little nuances, the sometimes ever so slight roughness around the edges, the subtle characteristics that technically might to some require "fixing." One of our favorite singers said that he didn't care so much about the genre but whether not the singer had soul. I think it would be pretty easy to "fix" away soul. To get it closer to home. Janice is what back in our bluegrass days we called a "bent note" singer. it's the way she sings and she sings hardly one bar over the same way. We've never double tracked -- that might be interesting given what I just pointed out! She's always moving notes around -- maybe to some ears she stops too soon or too late when she lands the note. What I hear is, well, her style. I couldn't imaging attempting to "fix" her vocals no matter how subtle the "needed" changes might be. Perhaps that might take it out of our music room on the next tier, level or whatever. But I simply don't want to go there. Pardon the ole phart ramble and zero offense meant to folks who differ. Incoming!! Well I agree with this. What you say is actually the point I think I didn't make well. I certainly don't want to be known as a singer that sings flat. But the reality is, I do "bend the notes", always have. In live performances you can get away with a lot of note bending and other infractions. Recordings...not so much. I have come to accept the character of my vocals which sets me apart from others. However, some things like a heavier vibrato, accentuated by age, is also a problem. The use of any tool that allows me to clean up vocals on recordings is no different than using spellcheck to clean up documents. On another NOTE (gag) I like what I'm learning from this forum. - Carolyne

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280705 01/18/15 03:41 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC Guitarhacker Veteran
Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 10,455 Middlesex, NC	The best analogy I can come up with at the moment in this is that Pitch fixing is to singing as mastering is to mixes, or to use another area of the arts...... as Photoshop is to a makeup model's appearance. Do you need to pitch fix? Do you need to master a mix? Absolutely not in both cases. However, when both or either are used, there is a notable improvement in the overall quality of the mix and the performance. Of course, that's only my opinion. Whether someone wants to use the technology available today or not is totally up to them. Everyone has heard a normal unprocessed mix.... drab, ordinary, in an OK sort of way... but pop in some EQ, some compression, some reverb and WOW!!!! What a difference. It was mentioned about some of the big bands and the singers of that time. I don't think mutlitrack recording was in use that that time. As I recall the Beatles were innovators into the multitrack world, recording Sgt Pepper on a 4 track tape machine. Considered really high tech at the time. In the days of the big bands, there were no "lets overdub the vocals" discussions in the studios. One take...one shot....one chance to get it right. Of course, they could always run it again on some new tape and do multiple takes.... but all the musicians had to preform perfectly every time. I like the comparison to a spellchecker.... yes, these are simply tools that are there to be used by those who wish to do so. I wouldn't necessarily say that all vocals NEED fixing but I will say that in every vocal track, you can always find something that could be fixed. It's up to the individual at the board to decide. I'll also say this..... with every vocal track that has come to my studio, yes, there are things that need to be fixed to one degree or another. And I've had some really good singers send me tracks. But again.... what gets fixed and what doesn't is totally, 100% subjective and in the ears of the person listening as to what needs it and what gets it. I think there was only one track that ever came in that I didn't need to fix..... because the studio where it was recorded did the fixing. (I asked if was fixed because it was really really good,,,, the answer was yes) The only time I would not use it would be if someone asked me specifically not to.....then I'd probably still use it but swear I didn't. "dude, your vocals are THAT good..." Interesting discussion. Yeah there's folks all over the board on this. You have folks like me who are somewhere in the middle.... use it appropriately, while you have others on both ends of the spectrum.... die hard gotta use it to excess...and purists who say it's the 8th cardinal sin. To me, it's a tool, like any other in my tool box, to be used at the proper time and in the proper way. I want people to listen to the track and simply say, WOW!!! that singer can sure enough sing. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280708 01/18/15 04:00 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC Pat Marr Veteran
Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC	I'll add that the human ear is not as good at detecting deviation as is technology. Here's a challenge to anybody who has Melodyne: Take a vocal track you think is pretty good. Export it to Melodyne, and compare your sung notes to the grid. I think even a good singer will be surprised to visually confront the difference between the note they sang and the note they THOUGHT they sang. What's more enlightening is that the deviations go in both directions.. some flat, some sharp. Whether or not you choose to correct anything is still a personal choice. But it can be enlightening to see what you're really asking the listener to accept. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

Re: Melodyne Information Carolyne #280711 01/18/15 04:12 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC Pat Marr Veteran
Pat Marr Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,075 Winston-Salem, NC	Originally Posted By: Carolyne Originally Posted By: Pat Marr If you are using ASIO in RB, you'll probably want to close RB entirely before you open Melodyne, because unless Melodyne is running ASIO, its very hard to tell which note is making which sound. This was really good info. I don't use ASIO I use MME. Does that make a difference? Thanks -Carolyne Carolyne, you can use Melodyne without using ASIO... you just have to change your approach a little bit. There are a couple of ways to use Melodyne... One way is to click a single button to let Melodyne decide where the notes need to be. When the notes are pretty close to where they need to be, this works great. But if they are off more than a certain amount, Melodyne may snap the note to the wrong place... and if it happens several times over the whole project, it can really throw you for a loop (also if it happens, it gives you some idea how far off the notes really were!) Upshot is, if you can't use automatic correction, you have to correct the worst notes manually by clicking on them. If you are using ASIO drivers, as you play the song, the "NOW" line will line up with the notes as they are being played so you can see and hear simultaneously which notes need to be fixed. If you don't use ASIO, there will be a time mismatch between the "now" line and the note being played, and you'll have to find another way to discern which notes offend your hearing. Perhaps the best way is by visually comparing the note to the grid. If the blob is not centered in the gridlines, it's probably flat or sharp. So, if you use MME, you can still use Melodyne, although you'll end up working to visual cues more than by following your ear. does that make sense? https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ey71h8ep047758h/AAC12jNM0Hz9Q8zsh5iDeqNHa?dl=0

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We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

July 27, 2025

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

July 23, 2025

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
Playable RealTracks Set 4
RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

July 21, 2025

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

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