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As per subject... is it infringing in copyright?
Also, does creating a new song, using any of the BIAB features, make it MY song? Are the realtracks/realband protected/copyrighted? Can I use them for commercial gain?
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It is your song, you don't even need to mention BIAB.
It is friendly if you give credits.
There are quite a few threads in the forum about this subject.
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If you recreate the copyrighted work of another in BB.... it's copyright infringement if you do not obtain the proper license to use that song IF you plan to release it for the public to hear. You can record it for your personal consumption with out problems since no one else will hear it. The moment you post it on line or burn CD's to give or sell..... you are in violation if you have not purchased the license to do so legally.
If you create a new original work using BB & RB tracks.... it is 100% YOUR song. Since you are a licensed user if you bought the program, you are allowed to use the tracks in any commercial way you wish and you do not have to list the tracks or the PG company in any way or pay any royalties on those tracks. In fact I would NOT list PG as contributor on the tracks in the way you might list a studio musician. Doing so needlessly muddies the waters and can make things complicated under certain circumstances. When using a song in a commercial project, it suffices to say that you own 100% of the rights for the song and master. Like I said .... If you have bought and paid for a copy of BB/RB from PG Software, you have the legal right and license to use the tracks royalty free and without any other permissions, written or otherwise.
I have a number of songs created in BB/RB copyrighted and signed into commercial libraries and with publishers. There is no problem with using BB/RB tracks in the songs. I simply had to affirm that I owned 100% of the rights to the song, which I do, and for the samples I use, that I have the license to use them legally..... which as an owner of PG software, I do.
Hope that clarifies it for you.
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If you recreate the copyrighted work of another in BB.... it's copyright infringement if you do not obtain the proper license to use that song IF you plan to release it for the public to hear. You can record it for your personal consumption with out problems since no one else will hear it. The moment you post it on line or burn CD's to give or sell..... you are in violation if you have not purchased the license to do so legally.
If you create a new original work using BB & RB tracks.... it is 100% YOUR song. Since you are a licensed user if you bought the program, you are allowed to use the tracks in any commercial way you wish and you do not have to list the tracks or the PG company in any way or pay any royalties on those tracks. In fact I would NOT list PG as contributor on the tracks in the way you might list a studio musician. Doing so needlessly muddies the waters and can make things complicated under certain circumstances. When using a song in a commercial project, it suffices to say that you own 100% of the rights for the song and master. Like I said .... If you have bought and paid for a copy of BB/RB from PG Software, you have the legal right and license to use the tracks royalty free and without any other permissions, written or otherwise.
I have a number of songs created in BB/RB copyrighted and signed into commercial libraries and with publishers. There is no problem with using BB/RB tracks in the songs. I simply had to affirm that I owned 100% of the rights to the song, which I do, and for the samples I use, that I have the license to use them legally..... which as an owner of PG software, I do.
Hope that clarifies it for you. Thank you for explaining that, as I find these things confusing. How do you go about copyright your own songs? What kind of cost is there involved? Some one once told me that if you post my own creation/s to myself, registered post, and keep the CD sealed\un-open, then it is as good as a filed copyright content. I have my doubts though. How do songwriters get their royalties? Thanks again for replying to my post.
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I don't use copyright. No one is out there trying to steal your songs.... as hard as it is to get one published .... nahh, no one's out there being nefarious. As many really, really, good songs get turned down and never see the light of day with publishers.... no, I don't think there's a big risk to going without a copyright on a song. Save your money and save your time..... unless.... you are convinced that this is the next biggest #1 worldwide hit..... after all, every song we write is a huge hit if we can only get it to the right person. Right????? And also, if you need that security to sleep soundly at night.....
I do, however, use a service called Songuard. It comes with MasterWriter software. Essentially, it's a third party secure server date register service for copyrighted things. There's others on line very similar if you need it.
Sending yourself a registered sealed copy doesn't hold up in a court of law so don't waste time with that.
The US Library of Congress is the only official place to file copyrights. Before any infringement case can be taken to a US court of law, a copyright must be filed. Look at their website.... I think you may now be able to do the entire process on line. It used to be $35 bucks per song and I think $45 for a collection. I used to do collections since it saved money.
Now days I don't use copyright. I use Songuard sometimes but not always. (as stated above) I send songs to publishers and music libraries. When one of them decides they want my song on an exclusive deal, THEY will do the copyright in their name and pay for it. They may also register it for me with my PRO (performing rights organization) BMI. If they don't do that for me I can easily do it in a few seconds on line. You need to be a member of a PRO to collect royalties. Joining is free for writers. Most of the deals I sign are with "non-exclusive" libraries. That simply means they want to rep the song for you BUT you are still free to place it elsewhere and no publisher/library needs or asks for copyright on the song. The only thing they DO want to know for sure is that YOU own 100% of the rights on the song. Generally, these are NOT full songs but are the short 5, 10, 15 second musical cues used in TV shows. Very few people will spend $35 to register a 10 second clip that might be used one or two times and earn you $5 each use. I have many, many cuts like this.... none are copyrighted.
When the song gets used, the publisher's tagged info allows it to be tracked as one of my songs. BMI collects the performance royalties and the publisher collects the mechanical royalties and both cut me a check for the songs that are being used. Lots of writers for film and TV only collect performance and licensing. Folks who land artist CD deals also pick up the mechanicals from sales.
Currently, royalties from streaming songs and downloads is so low that it might as well not even exist. Unless you are selling tens of thousands of DL's and streaming plays, you won't see a dime. There's a huge controversy going over this pittance payment that's set up currently.
A great book to read on this topic to learn more is called This Business of Music. It's a bit dry but it does explain all this in much greater detail.
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Good stuff Herb. Answered some questions for me that I've neglected to research.
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Thanks for more useful info, Herb, Most appreciated.
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The US Library of Congress is the only official place to file copyrights. Before any infringement case can be taken to a US court of law, a copyright must be filed. Look at their website.... I think you may now be able to do the entire process on line. It used to be $35 bucks per song and I think $45 for a collection. I used to do collections since it saved money.
Unless this has changed in the last two years the cost for a collection is $35, at least that is what it cost us two years ago. Also the Library of Congress will take MP3s now. In the old days they only took manuscript! The only limit on the number of songs in a collection is their upload limit. We did around 12-15 songs at a time for the single cost of $35. {edit} We do not copyright anything now either!
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A long time ago I believe someone mentioned the protection for a song is different when the song is part of a copyrighted collection versus having individual songs copyrighted but I don't remember the difference or the example that was given.
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A long time ago I believe someone mentioned the protection for a song is different when the song is part of a copyrighted collection versus having individual songs copyrighted but I don't remember the difference or the example that was given. How I've always understood that was as follows. You copyright a collection to save money and lump as many songs as you can under the umbrella of a copyright. When and if a song in that collection is to be recorded by anyone for commercial release you copyright that one song by itself to give it it's own copyright coverage. It's all protected with either way but there is less confusion with the individual copyright since it's under it's own name and title.
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I once spoke with the people at P.G. Music and they told me that if you create the song with BIAB, whatever you create with BIAB is yours because when they create the Real band tracks they do a work for hire with the musician, when you create music with those tracks you are purchasing the software you are basically purchasing the license to use all of these tracks to create your own derivative works; so when you create your own songs it is indeed your music and you can copyright it. I have done several songs and copyrighted them with BIAB, but I contacted then ask asked them if this was legal and they said that it was. Through copyright all that is really copyrightable is the lyrics and they tune that you create to your song.
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Who did you contacted for the copyrights? And what did it cost?
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Who did you contacted for the copyrights? And what did it cost? Herb previously mentioned "The US Library of Congress is the only official place to file copyrights. " I am not familiar with the process, just passing that bit of info on.
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I'm not a lawyer, so someone more knowledgeable can chime in, but this is what I perceive to be the case.
Although in light of recent litigation decisions, I'm not sure, but from what I understand you can can copyright your melody and lyrics. You can't copyright the arrangement and the chord progression. You can copyright your recording of it as a whole piece, though, so I couldn't just take it and sell it for my benefit.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that if you just generate an arrangement with BIAB and I generate the same arrangement with BIAB (it can happen, or at least be close enough that discerning ears couldn't tell the difference) that neither of us would not be able to claim copyright on that arrangement (mainly because there is no melody) but that, because PGMusic has authorized you to use their intellectual property in your songs, then that part of the song is probably de facto in the public domain and can't subsequently be copyrighted by you. That doesn't mean that you can take RealTracks, for example, wholesale and sell them to other people as your own. But used in the creation of your song, you can copyright your song. You can copyright the stuff you came up with, though.
I'm sure it's more nuanced than that, but hopefully that made sense.
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Sorry to come so late to this thread, but it's the most relevant one I could find and I have a specific question.
If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks, which I have generated repeatedly to find the one that fits best, and then used individually by exporting the .wav files and remixing them in my DAW...
Then is it a violation of the licensing agreement if I put that song onto a commercial album, without adding any other instrument layers to it?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this concrete use case.
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If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks In this case I would think you're fine /I'm, not a lawyer .. just my opinion //PGmusic has stated that the fact you used RTs is not an issue ///however your thread title alludes to you thinking it's not original (Recreating/creating) - which is it? did you create it or recreate it?
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Sorry to come so late to this thread, but it's the most relevant one I could find and I have a specific question.
If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks, which I have generated repeatedly to find the one that fits best, and then used individually by exporting the .wav files and remixing them in my DAW...
Then is it a violation of the licensing agreement if I put that song onto a commercial album, without adding any other instrument layers to it?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this concrete use case. If it helps... Firstly, it's your county's copyright laws that will control your initial creation of something. So hunt for those on the internet. In most places around the world, it is Melody and Lyrics that are copyrightable. Distinctive harmonic riffs that are signature components of a song are also copyrightable. If you use BIAB to create a wholly original song that you've composed the melody to and the lyrics for, then you own that 100% and can do with it what you want. Oh the other hand, if you take a pre-existing song that has not yet entered into public domain and you create your own arrangement of the melody and the lyrics, you need to pay fees and get permission to use this if it's for anything outside your own home. A song's copyright owners fully control all arrangements of that song. Regards, Noel
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If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks
PGmusic has stated that the fact you used RTs is not an issue
however your thread title alludes to you thinking it's not original (Recreating/creating) - which is it? did you create it or recreate it? It shouldn't matter from the perspective of using RealTracks in any recording whether it's a cover song or original? The Copyright deals with the intellectual content and not the manufacturing process. I don't see a copyright difference between using a Realtrack or live session musician to make a recording. One can't be sued for copyright infringement on the basis the electric rhythm guitar track used was a Gibson Les Paul. That same principle applies to how the track was mechanically produced. Copyright shouldn't be an issue to whether a track audio was recorded live, pre-recorded audio or midi. The BIAB RealTracks have progressed and improved in quality and the amount of content that unlike years ago where two songs by two different artists that produced a song using the same progression and randomly selected the same style, it could be clearly determined that BIAB Realtracks were used and the two songs could sound very similar. Today, there are thousands of RealTracks available, thousands of hours of recorded audio and multiple RealTrack recordings of the same instrument to choose from. Also, today, arrangements and artists production skills and competency with DAWs and mixing skills make it nearly statistically impossible for two mixes to sound similar unless there's obvious intent to replicate a recording.
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Sorry to come so late to this thread, but it's the most relevant one I could find and I have a specific question.
If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks, which I have generated repeatedly to find the one that fits best, and then used individually by exporting the .wav files and remixing them in my DAW...
Then is it a violation of the licensing agreement if I put that song onto a commercial album, without adding any other instrument layers to it?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this concrete use case. Nope. If you purchased BB, you have the full legal right to use it as your own and claim copyright on it for any commercial use. I have several songs playing in film & TV that were created mostly or entirely on BB. I own 100% of the rights of the songs. I don't have to give any credit to anyone or anything for those tracks created in BB. You can use them without worry. I think if you look, you will find that statement on the PG website regarding your use of the tracks in commercial projects. If you happen to write a million dollar song using PG tracks, I think it would probably be nice if you went to their HQ and took the staff and Peter out to lunch. ;-)
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If I create a song with my own chord progression, key and tempo, but it is entirely composed of realtracks, which I have generated repeatedly to find the one that fits best, and then used individually by exporting the .wav files and remixing them in my DAW...
Then is it a violation of the licensing agreement if I put that song onto a commercial album, without adding any other instrument layers to it?You can't copyright a chord progression. If you could then every 1-4-5 blues/rock/country song or 1-6-4-5 song or any other common chord progressions that hundreds (thousands?) of songs use would all be copyright violations. You can copyright melodies, lyrics and musical licks that go over a chord progression. PG's Real Tracks/Drums are great sounding but completely generic backing rhythms and grooves. Nothing to copyright there so have as much fun as you can with no worries. And Forum Search is your friend. Both these subjects, copyright and using the RT's royalty free come up over and over, sometimes weekly it seems. Click on the Forum Search tab>Advanced>All Forums>enter copyright and leave it at the default 5 years to start. Tons and tons of multi page threads going back 5 years from now and nothing has changed in the law since 1998 but starting last year old stuff from 1923 is moving to the public domain. Here's something you might like to read: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/faqs/law-changes/Bob
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Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!
All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!
It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
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