Having recently upgraded from Windows XP to Windows 7 [64 Bit], I needed a new MIDI interface and so I purchased a Neusonik uMIDI/022 which is a USB 2.0 Midi interface cable with 2 I/O ports and which does not need drivers.
When using the uMIDI/022 for midi input and output in PTracks, I have been getting intermittent problems, whereby sometimes when playing a Midifile, on pressing start, the file starts to play but immediately freezes Ptracks. In order to restore PTracks I have to press ctrl/alt/del and then when reopening PTracks and setting up MIDI Devices after selecting uMIDI/022 and OK,I am advised by the {Windows, I think] uMIDI/022 window that 'there is not enough memory available for this task 'and I should' Quit one or more applications to increase available memory and try again'
Since I have 16 GB of memory, I find the reference to 'not enough memory' puzzling. Also, when I am using PTracks, I do not have any other applications on so am unable to turn them off!
Although, I do not have any other applications on when using PTracks, I do have other applications which use MIDI, namely Band in a Box, RealBand, Sonar X3 and Sonar Artist --- do these applications require memory even when not active? In order to allow PTracks to play and record Midi I have to severely restrict or turn off in some cases Midi inputs and outputs for the above applications and PTracks by using Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth for Midi out and uMIDI/022 {Midi IN 2} for Midi in [Sonar X3, Sonar Artist and Ptracks only].
I wonder if anyone else has experienced similar problems and can advise solutions. Maybe I need to allocate more memory from the 16 GB RAM to some 'cache' which the MIDI interface relies on --- does anyone know?
Alternatively, I would be interested to know what other midi interfaces for Widows 7 [64 Bit] and PTracks other Forum contributors are using?
My setup is an Intel Core i5 4670K Processor, 16 GB DDR3 1600MHz Memory, 2TB SATA Hard Drive and 120GB SSD Drive running Windows 7 64 Bit Home Edition. My Audio interface is a Focusrite Scarlett Solo. PowerTracks is version 2015.
what is hooked to other end of MIDI CABLE (what unit)? Is "MIDI thru" re-routed to "MIDI out" on that device? Additionally, do you have MIDI thru turned on in PowerTracks(aka PT)
A (infinite) MIDI loop will give identical freeze symptoms. To test that simply turn off the external MIDI device when that happens to see if you get control back on PC
Good Luck
Larry
Last edited by Larry Kehl; 04/09/1506:01 AM.
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A (infinite) MIDI loop will give identical freeze symptoms.
My first thought also. If you send MIDI out to a device that then sends it back .. and you send that return back out to that device again (along with the new data that has come along during playback), which then sends it all back again .. etc
This can cause any system (regardless of RAM) to eventually have an issue. Endless loops are ugly no matter what caused them, including MIDI.
I would think that the MIDI specs would have evolved to where, by sending a simple DeviceId at start of any message, a device could recognize "Hey I just sent this; I should ignore the return message" .. but that's just me. Apparently others smarter than I haven't solved it.
I've yet to encounter a real life instance that would require a device to receive what it had sent out.. yet it is up to the user to prevent (as a default), rather than enable.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
Under my setup the uMIDI/022 connects to my PC via USB and to my Midi 'mixer' via its 2 midi cables --- the 'mixer' consists of a Roland MPU104 master unit connected to n MPU105 slave unit. This arrangement allows connection by midi of any 1 of 5 master inputs to any or all of 5 slave inputs. Under Midi,I have therefore theoretically the facility to connect as applicable my Windows XP or Windows 7 PC's to my Roland RA95 [GS] midifile player or to whichever of 4 different synths I wish.
The 'memory' problem with PT is preventing connection between the Windows 7 PC and the various synths and Midifile player because in PT the only Midi out that I can obtain is Microsoft GS wavetable synth. Under Sonar X3 and Sonar Artist I can as well as wavetable also connect to the synths/midifile player via uMIDI/022. With PT I would like to be able to connect with the midifile player.
I looked into your suggestion of a midi loop but midi thro is set to off in PT and the linkage of the midi network is such that as configured a loop is not possible when connecting the Windows 7 PC via the midi mixer to the RA95 midifile player.
Could I ask what midi interfaces you are using with your set up?
The 'memory' problem with PT is preventing connection between the Windows 7 PC and the various synths and Midifile player because in PT the only Midi out that I can obtain is Microsoft GS wavetable synth. ...
What version of PT are you running?
And to be precise when you say the "...only Midi out that I can obtain is Microsoft GS wavetable synth" I assume you mean that PowerTracks is not seeing the "uMIDI/022" MIDI interface?
Not sure what PTs would "say" in its MIDI Out window, since I am unfamiliar with your MIDI port device, but as FYI my inexpensive USB to MIDI cable for my Win XP laptop simply says, when plugged into my Win 7 64 desktop, "USB 2.0 - MIDI. "
that aside, you say Sonar and other SW is seeing that MIDI port device, whatever it's called, so maybe just reinstall PT. PTs, to date, has no serial number, registry tweaks, licensing auth hoop-jumping, or other hassles - so SIMPLY reinstall and see what happens.
This won’t help you but
From my desktop PC to "outside world" I use an old MIDI Man USB 2x2 (laptop Win XP uses a RS-232 to MIDI with a multi port Roland driver, and sometimes that USB to MIDI cable [mentioned above] to the rack)
But since I have so much external MIDI gear both of the MIDIMan's outputs/inputs got to/from three interconnected MIDI patch bays: two JL Cooper MSB Rev 2 (8x8 MIDI patch bays) and a Digital Music Corp MX-8 (8 in/6 out Midi patch bay). all my "controllers" (PC, keyboards and MIDI guitars can communicate cross stream to all other controllers or "down stream" to synth sound modules, MFX units etc.)
Good Luck Larry
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Powertracks is seeing the 'uMIDI/022' midi interface but when I select either of the 'uMIDI/022' midi outs in the PT MIDI driver window I am advised that there is insufficient memory to complete this action. Hence my only midi out option is Microsoft GS Wavetable synth. As described in my original post. I am then advised to turn off other apps to free up memory but since there are no other active apps that is not possible.
Presently, in order to maximise potential memory for PowerTracks , BiaB and RealBand have no midi in active and use GS wavetable synth as midi out. Sonar X3, Sonar Artist and PowerTracks have uMIDI/022 {MIDI IN2] selected as midi in and GS Wavetable synth as Midi out. Any attempt to select other uMIDI/022 inputs/outputs brings up the 'memory, message as above.
I currently have 2 Sonar DAW's which I am regularly using independently of PowerTracks on an ongoing project. Shortly on completion of this project I may be able to 'mothball' one of the Sonar DAW's to see then if any memory can be freed up to allow a uMIDI/022 midi out to be selected in PowerTracks.
I would like to get PowerTracks fully functioning as I particularly like the way it deals with midi and notation so I will for now put up with the restricted operation but continue to seek a remedy to the problem.
You certainly have an impressive array of peripheral equipment. I suppose that over the years one collects a lot of kit[I know I have] but I am sorry to say that some of mine is gathering dust as I do not have sufficient space to keep it all available and active.
well I have never seen that or any "memory" issue relative to a MIDI port use, driver, or its invocation by PT, (or RB or BIAB and I would assume all three use the same API/subroutine/method)
It is strange. Have you tried a fresh install yet? If that doesn't do it get on the PHONE with PG - they have GREAT support! and frankly this might have already been resolved.
Actually I/we should have mentioned this when it came up - we are a user forum, provided by PG, and which PG visits but when you have real issues CALL THEM (or email) - I would not have waited this long to contact them
GOOD LUCK
Larry
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I have not yet approached PG Support on this one as I was first hoping to establish whether it is a uMIDI/022 or PowerTracks problem. My gut feeling, unsubstantiated, is that it is uMIDI/022 that is the problem as in experimenting over the last few days with reinstalls and in Sonar I have also now been getting the 'insufficient memory' window.
I have decided to purchase a different USB/MIDI interface, as for the small cost involved I can do without all this hassle to get MIDI working satisfactorily. If,then, MIDI is still problematic, I shall contact Support for assistance. I will also keep you advised either way.
New usb/midi adaptor solved the problem. I am down to 16 midi channels in and out now, compared with 32 for the original interface, but new interface works without this extraordinary reference to 'insufficient memory'.
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