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As many know, I've made a lot of MIDI styles.
I've also made a few real tracks, and although the music came out well, the acoustics of my studio are terrible so I nuked them.
But MIDI is another story. Everything is contained in the wires, and it doesn't care about reflective surfaces, standing waves, frequency traps, the garbage truck rolling by, or the helicopter above.
It would so nice to have a way for us to make Super-MIDI tracks.
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May be a good idea to rename the Super Midi to "Real Midi". This would align with their counterpart of "Real Tracks" and not get them confused with HIQ Midi. Or is it only me?
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That renaming makes good sense to me, for both clarity and marketing reasons.
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May be a good idea to rename the Super Midi to "Real Midi". This would align with their counterpart of "Real Tracks" and not get them confused with HIQ Midi. Or is it only me? No, it's not only you Dan. 
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+1
Yes, if you could just save the midi track as you do the audio track when making a UserTrack.
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Seein that I already posted this very same suggestion on their facebook page only a few days ago, this gets a very obvious +1 
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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Sounds like a great idea to me as well.
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Yes also your engine does not support proper voice leading, maybe I am missing something but how can you voice chords properly just doing vamps?
I am going back to version 12, no more up dates for me.
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Yes also your engine does not support proper voice leading, maybe I am missing something but how can you voice chords properly just doing vamps?
I am going back to version 12, no more up dates for me. SB, did you post under the wrong topic? The topic was discussing 'user-created' MST's. I didn't follow your comments.
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If you design a user style? How do you determine voice leading? How do U determine how soprano, alto, tenor, bass of a chord goes to the next chord. My understanding is you design a style under a static C7 chord.
Hope that helps
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Maybe this will help take a simple chord progression dm, c6, bflat6, fmaj7 look at how strings are voiced each chord gets voiced with parallel voice leading there is no counterpoint (contrary motion, oblique motion) I didn't check every style, I am using elegant slow pop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_leadingI thought MIDI could make wiser decisions, based on counterpoint rules
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I thought MIDI could make wiser decisions... MIDI doesn't make any decisions at all. It only responds to what you tell it to do. If you want to understand what happens with MIDI styles, you should read carefully the user manual sections about Style Maker, with particular attention to the masks you can apply to each phrase. And then you need to listen to more than a handful of styles, while studying what you see in Style Maker to better understand the results you are going to get. However, if you are expecting BIAB to look at your chord progression, possibly along with a melody, and go "Oh, I see what you're trying to do there; here, I think you're really going to like this", then I think your expectations are too high. And that being said, please share with us another program that even comes close to what BIAB does.
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A wrote a program that does it, https://dochub.com/yragroneelf/b9nygm/amaj-7thsI can translate to any key and have good voice leading. I don't generate MIDI, just figure out where to put dots on a grid. If you turned in what band in box generates in a music theory 101 class you would get a F. Its 'all' parallel voice leading. (Maybe not all but at first look I think it may be) Korg Karma will do it to some degree, if you voice lead in the input the output will match. although it does not have the wonderful layout that band in box has where you can map out the whole song ahead of time. Biab can place the fill in right spot and so forth. In order to generate bass lines in is has to figure out the root, 3rd, 5th it has to do some analysis.
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Biab used to support Nashville numbers so it does have some information needed to make smarter decisions. Also it should have way to support changing parent scale like melodic minor, or harmonic minor.
If it would support melodic minor, harmonic minor, voice leading and Quartal harmony it would be much better.
Real tracks has it place but MIDI is better for music education.
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I'm like a deer with no eyes when it comes to all of that sorry.
Could you just do what you need manually, like record a usertrack for each chord, using a midi pickup on your guitar also to get the midi.
In realband you can just highlight the bars then go to Generate UserTrack Audio this will bring the picker up, type your required chord in the search box and it will generate the audio chord of your playing in the bar/s.
As you can't make a midi UserTrack "yet" and yes midi is more flexible to work with stretching & transposing, I would use PowerTracks to open the recorded audio with the corresponding midi, SEQ UserTrack, then you simply highlight the chord/s in the chord window then with snapping On drag the midi Track number straight to where you need the chord in realband this will copy just the highlighted midi chord/s.
This way you are not relying on BB to get it right, as you will get it just how you like.
I use this method with UserTracks as BB tends to screw it up transposing other chords too much instead of using the available correct chords.
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yes I found some work around's by deleting the keyboard guitar and strings tracks
so I can do what i want
But I have been Biab user since the beginning, I am supportive of them
I wanted to express my complaints publicly, and give them a chance to respond
From my perspective there is no reason to upgrade after version 12
Just buy the super MIDI tracks
If they are abandoning MIDI then U need to find support else where.
If they are NOT going to support voice leading and music education
then I need to searching for another program to use
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