Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#320841 11/26/15 03:46 PM
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
M
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
M
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
In terms of precision How precise is the resolution in scoring? In comparision to Finale or Sibileus how accurate is the scoring. It seems that so many variations for instruments don't have any markings that are universal. What are aspects of music that people would like to see that seem to missing from instrument markings? Biab has taught me to listen in ways I never knew how to.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
My understanding is that the notation resolution is 16 notes / bar for straight, 12 / bar for swing. (Other notation products may offer more features for scoring than BiaB)

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
2015-11-27_12-55-23.jpg (83.27 KB, 123 downloads)
2015-11-27_12-58-08.jpg (56.5 KB, 123 downloads)

BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
When exporting BIAB MIDI you have the ability to adjust the resolution. The default is 120 ppm but it can go up to, I think, 960.


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
M
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
M
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
Are there easy methods to push a note and in standard notation are there marks made for that. I can kind of figure a swing rhythm if I hear it first but if you stick sheet music I seem to misinterpret that?

What are the marks for I guess you could call it kinds of expansion. Its like the anticipations and that kind of stuff that neighbor tones. But there is probably another dimension that musicians notice but never talk about. Akin That was what I was after.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Ok, I think I understand now. When a musician sees a series of eighth notes, how they are played depends on the context even though they appear the same. I look first for written instructions, for example "swing" or "straight eights". And you have to know that if you are playing a samba, it's straight just because that's the style. Swing eighth notes are played about 2/3 1/3 timing, but they aren't notated that way.

Is that what you are looking for?


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
M
Apprentice
OP Offline
Apprentice
M
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 226
Thanks yeah that is it. there really are a wide variety of musical contexts and they don't seem to be notated. I think that is what I am saying. There are probably ways of talking about shuffling syncopations and accents that apply to rhythm but again they aren't talked about. I suppose you could bring over linguistic accents discussions inserting them into music but it would be nice if some of the memo's discovered how to add a little more feedback. Is most rhythm discussed by number throwing? I am trying to develop musical phase sense as a person with disabilities who doesn't automatically always respond smoothly with clarity of rhythm with proper stamina which is my problem my stamina is weak. But I still practice to penjulum my parts. So that the swings across rhythms leave a wake that memories can cling to. I'm working on a song so I am sharing some of my ideas.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Something like this came up in the wishlist forum recently.

Playing a musical instrument is of course an art-form and includes 'poetic-license' and individual interpretation. Another forum member described it quite perfectly when he mentioned:
"When a musician plays a phrase, it's always in the context of where he is going next, and plays accordingly. You won't get that by using individual notes not played in that context."

Some notation cannot normally be written to describe every nuance. Sure, you can include symbols such as dynamics, slurs, tempos, accents and ornaments, but the actual performance delivery is based on the musicians ability, style and creativeness.

Does that explain a bit more clearly?

Trev



BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
OK, I might add this. In music for junior high school jazz ensemble, you might see swing eighth notes notated with a dash under the first, a period under the second of a pair. This is to force the long / short (2/3 to 1/3) phrasing of swing notes. But it mucks up the score so badly that you normally would not see that in any serious music beyond junior high level.


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
I think I misinterpreted the O/P's original post, which was titled "Scoring How precise is Biab"

I thought it related to what was the best available resolution when printing a music score.

My understanding now is that it relates to 'how well can one interpret a BiaB music score'

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.


BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
IN PGMusic products under Notation-Opts. you can set the resolution to much greater than just 16th notes.


Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
NotationResolution.jpg (11.11 KB, 63 downloads)
Trill.jpg (32.89 KB, 61 downloads)
Last edited by rharv; 11/28/15 05:44 AM.

I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,163
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,163
Biab also uses "ticks" for timing notes. I've learned how to "adjust" the ticks to get a pushed note etc. Math.

Trax

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
And one more thing (in BIAB, there is often one more thing): Play, Slide Tracks. This can really loosen up the otherwise mechanical feel of a MIDI melody.


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Great Tip RHarv.

I could do that in RealBand, but couldn't find that same setting in BiaB. Is there a similar setting in BiaB?

Trev


BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Yes, I would like to know that if there is.


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
In the BB Opts.-Prefs-Notation options there is a tip when hovering over the Fine Resolution check box (see below).
For me this option to set the resolution is only available in Editable Notation mode in BB, YMMV
/I'm much more comfortable in RB but that should help with BB .. you BB gurus should know this!
//Since BB only allows 120 resolution for MIDI, your actual results may vary, depending on tempo (it's math)
///best I could do on short notice smile

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
BBResolutionHelp.jpg (25.29 KB, 58 downloads)
Last edited by rharv; 11/28/15 11:21 AM.

I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,601
Thanks Bob.

A couple of years ago, BIAB added the ability to export MIDI up to 960 ppq. Not sure how that relates to this, if at all.


BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
Well, if BB records and handles MIDI at 120, I kind of assumed the 960 was just 120 X 8 when exported .. but still 'quantized' (essentially).
I haven't tested this, but it is one of the things that makes RB seem so much better for my way of working. 3840 is 960 X 4 (even greater resolution exponentially) so it is more exacting in the long run. Many users wouldn't care or notice a difference.
It matters to me.


I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Thanks Bob, same thing, but with different delivery method (again!)


BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,640
yer welcome wink

I'm still learning, and some things that are second nature to me in RB take extra effort to find in BiaB (for me at least), so I'm happy to share what I've learned.


Last edited by rharv; 11/28/15 03:51 PM.

I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,120
Actually, I liked the RB delivery. A: More intuitive, B: More flexible.

I'm going over to the Wishlist....


BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!

Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!

We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.

Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.

There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!

Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!

Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!

Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!

There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.

When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.

Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.

Holiday Weekend Hours

It's Victoria Day Long Weekend in Canada. Our Customer Service hours are:

Saturday, May 16: Closed
Sunday, May 17: Closed
Monday, May 18: 8:00am - 4:00pm

Regular hours
resume Tuesday, May 19th!

Today's the Last Day of the Band-in-a-Box 2026® for Mac Special!

Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!

Don't wait - order today!

Check out all the new features in the redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!

Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!

Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.

Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.

If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!

202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!

With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!

Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.

Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.

Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!

And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.

The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

Forum Statistics
Forums57
Topics86,395
Posts804,334
Members40,113
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
Newest Members
Etsuko, Sam Leak, sgsdgsg, bill.mccall, SuperMario20
40,112 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 122
rsdean 93
WaoBand 90
DC Ron 87
vicarn 79
dcuny 64
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5