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Thanks so much. That explains it very well. Sounds right because the patch coming through is very high (57ish). I didn't realise you could blank out these options for patches. I'll play around with this dialog box and add the Nova back in running from the Voicelive 2 thru. I really like the step editing. Nice and clean. No need to use a mouse. I have one of these from about 25+ years ago which should be handy for sending messages around. Life after death for it  http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~wayrich/synth-history/sequencers.html
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I seem to have got the Voicelive 2 working okay now with BIAB 2016. I tried it live and forgot that my guitar effects were connected. Wammo, It changed the Voicelive and the Nova. Nice vocals and weird detuned guitar (lol) My fault and quite entertaining.
The only issue I seem to be getting and that I will test today is that the midi channel dialog box doesn't seem to save what would appear to be global settings. I set the midi channels in several places to zero or one, clicked on the save button which saves a setup file and then found it had reverted back to the original settings. I need to go back to the previous 2016 install to be sure that's not the problem and play around with saving settings a bit more to be sure.
Assuming that is ok, basically all good now. You really get into the swing of using the midi continuous change commands through the songs. I'm still trying to work out the more complex options like changing levels in various effect options. eg degree of reverb or type of reverb when you switch on reverb. Eventually I'll make a list. Some I've memorized already 110 at 127 for harmony 117 at 127 for delay (lol). The step option on the Voicelive 2 is very powerful as it allows you to chain different patch settings. So all I really need to do is call in steps.
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It appears that the channels/midi settings/save button saves different channel/patch settings for each song. Strange as it's a global file. mysetup.dk.
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In RB various settings are stored in various places. There a couple ini and config files that store a lot of info also.
Then the seq file settings that get loaded per song...
Another trick if you want to have RB open with a certain setup; Save a seq file (with these settings) as $OPTIONS.seq
RB loads this file when it opens if it exists.
You can also save various Templates with various settings .. they get stored in the X:\Realband\Templates\ folder. They are just quick easy setups to load.
I found these handy at a project level.
Different projects used different Templates.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Thanks Rharv, but I'm only using BIAB at the moment. It may well be the same. I'll contact BIAB support. I think it has a lot to do with what midi sounds BIAB styles throw up in the melody track. Now I delete the melody track data before I add any CC commands or patch change commands. Otherwise you end up retyping the cc commands et later as they get wiped by the delete:-)
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Sorry, I must have got the Forums mixed up.
Your workflow sounds like RealBand may be a better choice for you; more control.
Deciding WHEN to switch from BiaB to RB is such a personal thing.
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Realband is stable enough to use live? I bet that's a can of worms. I'm such a glutton for punishment.:-)
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I've used both Powertracks and Realband live. I guess I'm lucky.
We've controlled lights, patch changes for keyboards and guitar, a click track and a few samples, etc.
We had a full band so RB just handled the 'extra' objects needed like the above and a few audio tracks we had (on the CD) that we didn't have enough people to cover. For instance when live I was playing either keyboard, guitar or bass on a given song, but never 2 of the three at the same time (grin)
.. for some reason I don't seem to have the troubles some do with RB.
More often I give it a much harder job; recording 8 tracks at a time while supplying click and any previously recorded MIDI and audio tracks on various outputs.
Using it in the studio is much more demanding here than playing out. During performance it's just reading/sending out. In the studio it is doing all that plus routing inputs and writing the incoming tracks. Plus, if I were to use it for such, I would hard write the tracks and remove all plugins for the performance version of the seq file. I'm not gonna be generating on stage, or tinkering with plugins, so may as well just hard write them and remove any possible glitch and reduce resource use.
work smarter not harder type of thing
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Thanks Rharv. My setup is pretty simple, so Realband may be the way to go. Just don't fancy another learning curve. Actually, It's me who's ended up in the wrong forum 
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Thanks Rharv. My setup is pretty simple, so Realband may be the way to go. Just don't fancy another learning curve. Actually, It's me who's ended up in the wrong forum +1 to everything RHARV said. If you are comfortable with BIAB, continue using it to create your songs. Then open them in RB and save as a SEQ file. Add your MIDI control stuff (works pretty much the same way in RB as in BIAB, so no major learning curve) and you're ready to rock. One reason why I prefer using RB live instead of BIAB: BIAB is dynamic, imitating the variations introduced by real musicians in a real performance. Stuff changes.. and that throws me for a loop. I like everything to stay where I put it. RB keeps the edits I make and doesn't regenerate them. It also allows the addition of more tracks than BIAB allows, and most of my projects use more tracks than BIAB allows. Both BIAB and RB will do what you want. In the end it boils down to your personal preference and comfort level with each.
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My Xmas project - Realband - sounds like it could actually be more suitable for what I want.
In the mean time, I've moved my set list to the jukebox and it's working fine most of the time, changing patches / cc commands on most BIAB songs, but not all. It's always the same midi patch that it throws in (74 or 76) and then refuses to obey the patch change / cc commands following it. I'm also getting a few error messages from BIAB 2016 that basically crash BIAB. Hopefully new upgrades will work through most of them in due course.
I haven't yet worked out how to have the harmonies following midi at the same time as the cc/patch changes. Previously, that had worked fine. Easy enough to switch back to having the harmonies follow the guitar playing, but more reliable if following midi notes from BIAB as maybe I'm not playing guitar all the time or soloing etc. In Knocking on Heaven's Door the harmonies are totally wrong as it's trying to follow non-existent midi notes. When I later switched it back to guitar - no problem.
I'm actually finally reading the BIAB manual. Yesterday it put me to sleep, although it is very informative - albeit big!
How are you thinking of integrating your midi guitar? To play patches for soloing purposes? I have an old Roland one built into my Strat. I used to love the look on punter's faces when you played a Alto/Tenor Sax solo or a Fender Rhodes solo.
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How are you thinking of integrating your midi guitar? To play patches for soloing purposes? Yep! I have an old Roland one built into my Strat. I used to love the look on punter's faces when you played a Alto/Tenor Sax solo or a Fender Rhodes solo. I have an older Godin with 13 pin connectivity built-in, but for some reason it doesn't work well with the GR-55. So I installed a GK-3 onto a Godin ! I look forward to seeing the audience response to a guitar that sounds like other instruments! Keep me posted on your pursuits. I'd like to stay in the loop!
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What can MC do that RB can't?
Lambada, if you don't understand DAW's then please don't read too much in this thread. The guys making all these complaints and comments are true power users who really know their stuff. To them yes, RB has limitations but for the vast majority of casual users RB is more than capable. They're making it sound like RB is some total piece of crap. Nothing could be further from the truth. First RB is free, it's included with Biab. Second, it's based on Power Tracks Pro Audio which has been a very nice DAW for at least 15 years or so.
Don't believe all this stuff, it's way over the top. They're talking about technical things you may never care about. Ever.
Now, you have already learned so very cool things you can do with RB. Here's another thing about working with DAW's and I cannot emphasize this enough so I'm going to shout it:
IT'S UP TO THE USER TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT.
The program is just a tool. It's up to you to learn all the ways to use that tool. So many people who are very ignorant never take the time to figure this stuff out so they go and buy another program thinking that one is better. It's not better, just different. I've said this so many times maybe I should put in my sig: You MUST become a complete audio and midi nerd in order to work well with any DAW.
Consider this. Somebody gets frustrated with RB so they go and spend $500-700 on a big name program. After some time they realize they could do most of what that expensive program does in RB and more. Are they going to go back to RB? Heck no, they've now invested their money in the other DAW, to go back now means they jumped the shark in the first place so they're not going to admit that.
Bob
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Hats off to Bob - he just said it all!
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Bob, another voice of wisdom. I have to say that I get a lot of great ideas reading and writing on this forum. Also, I don't feel so musically isolated.
In reality, I seem to spend most of my time actually learning how to use and leverage what I already have - sometimes had for over 10 years! I'm loving this midi automation though...
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I've been doing a lot of lurking on this forum for the past year or so. At the same time, I've experimented with BIAB/RealBand during that time. I've now upgraded to 2016 UltraPlus Pak.
I've been using DAWs since around 1998 from SAWStudio, Cool Edit Pro, Pro-Tools, and more, to now Mixcraft (which btw is an efficient, feature-packed,easy-to-use, affordable product). BUT, I've been watching RealBand tutorials, and see a very practical place for it in my (and my band's) work flow.
1. It allows us to marry the songwriting and arranging process with the production. I can input progressions and form, pick a Real style, and begin replacing BIAB Realtracks with live performances. What other DAW does this? None that I know of...
2. It includes simple, good sounding effects with easy presets. Like all other DAWs, it supports VSTs if those aren't adequate. Listen to Joanne Cooper's "Jesse" recently mixed by Floyd Jane. RealBand effects, and it sounds great!
3. Since the 2014 release, Realband allows volume envelope automation. That's really the essence of mixing. With access to that and VSTs, what else is required for a finished product?
In the coming weeks, I'm going to begin using RealBand to put together a full band production of my band with limited Realtrack augmentation. I did this once before using banjo and pedal steel Realtracks in Mixcraft, but I want to see how work flow is affected by keeping it 100% in the BIAB/RealBand domain. I suspect it may keep things a lot more focused on music making!
Best,
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It is only me or do others notice this whole continuing thread is built on the rants and manifesto of one of our long time forum members who wanted it to be his final swan song. Are we keeping it alive for a reason?  Opps there I just bumped it again - nevermind.
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