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Please, of please do something to create a good, working undo facility with the next update to BIAB. So many times I've lost a whole song and had to start again because I'd not saved an intermediate version (I know) and lost hours' work. All the other software I use has good undo facilities and I find it invaluable. All I ever get is "Undo delete bars" - when I've never even deleted any bars!
Please protect my sanity and reward us with a good multi-level undo facility!
If anyone agrees, please add your vote to this thread!
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+1 from me.
Many times I've lost work because the undo is not only unpredictable, but downright destructive. I have no idea how the logic for BIAB's undo "works" but is isn't useful to me. Not to mention that redo seems to be pretty much non-functional other than to put the seal on undo's destructive capabilities.
So please, more predictable and reliable undo and redo with lots of levels - at least 30 or 40. As it stands, I can't use it, and this makes experimentation much harder.
BTW, this is not a rant, I'm actually on my knees, begging
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Multi level undo function is always a handy item to have at your disposal.
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Yes, +1.
I've been flummoxed by BIAB when I make a change to the song structure involving the ending of a song with a tag. Things sometimes get out of whack, and sometimes there's no going back.
In other software with seemingly unlimited levels of Undo, I generally reduce the number of Undo levels to 5 or so, to save space of storing all those changes. Almost anything more than one level would be great, especially if each one worked correctly.
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Thanks everyone
I'll reply this once to push the issue back up to the top in case others want to add their agreement.
But Matt, are you a songwriter?
"Things sometimes get out of whack, and sometimes there's no going back." sounds a good basis for a song to me.
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I am with you! The Undo on BB is the worse I've seen and I've runned into the same problems you describe (delete bars,for which I have to redo and to get around the problem in different ways)
I've mentioned infinite undo 2 years ago,to which someone replied 'well,that kind of undo does not always pays off' or something like that.
The best Undo I've seen is on a program called Reaper. It undoes almost anything. Would be really good to see that on BB and Realband.
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I put up a seperate post about undo. I have a copy routine (not really an undo) but it will allow you to set a time, or click a button to make a generational copy of what you are doing. Currently the routine copies to files with YYYYMMDDHHMMSS prefixed to the file name. It also has the ability to move the working files to a safe folder. I use it for creating copies of code in backend frontend projects. So that I can go back to a previous version. It works fine with music files. such as BIAB. Might end up being of some use until there is a fix in the program. As noted in my post, I am looking for a few people to kick it around a bit and see if it might be workable until something better comes around. Quote:
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I have a routine that I use to make generational copies of working projects. I am looking for a couple of people who might check it out and see if it works for them, or what needs to be added to make it workable.
At present it copies two files to new files prefixed with Date and time. It will also copy files to a specific folder (sort of a safe folder) and it will allow you to restore a Date time prefixed file to the working file.
It will also allow you to define several working projects.
In short, you can set up a number of working projects. For example, Song1, Song2, Song3, etc.
In each project you can define two files to be copied. For Example :
G:\BandInABox\PT\CloseYourEyes\Close your Eyes (Good Night Aden) Am V2 Piano Solo on Solo.MGU
G:\BandInABox\PT\CloseYourEyes\Close your Eyes (Good Night Aden) AM No Extra_RealDrums.WAV
And a Safe folder:
G:\BandInABox\Other\TootsTest\
You can set a timer to save every so many minutes or you can save by clicking on a button
files get names like
0905240601Close your Eyes (Good Night Aden) Am V2 Piano Solo on Solo.MGU
0905240601Close your Eyes (Good Night Aden) Am V2 Piano Solo on Solo.Wav
You can then pick the file from a restore list to copie it back to
Close your Eyes (Good Night Aden) Am V2 Piano Solo on Solo.MGU
This allows you to have multiplie copies of a BIAB and perhaps an associated Wave file, and to easily put them back inplace.
I am thinking of making it avaiable to the forum as many people seem to have a need, but would like to have a few people kick it around a bit first.
Any takers (I will say in advance, I am only look for a few people to test, so do not feel slighted if I do not choose you, even if you offer. I certainly do not intended slight anyone, but would like to have it field tested to see if it might be useful as is, or could easily be made useful).
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Really, the BIAB Undo problem is twofold. First and foremost, there has to be many more levels of Undo.
Second, there are far too many commands which you can't Undo.
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+1 more here. I've learned to save before "experimenting", but I've still gotten "burned" by BIAB and also my own lack of knowledge. I wish BIAB had multilevels of Undo as does Sibelius. PLeeeeeeeze!!!
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Just to say what no doubt many people are thinking - how disappointing to have another version of BIAB (2009.5) and yet no resolution to the undo problem! I've lost so many songs because I've made a simple mistake, but can't go back to where I was.
Thanks PapaMikie for the alternative option, but I think it would be too complex for me!
And yes - multiple levels is what is really needed.
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But Matt, are you a songwriter?
"Things sometimes get out of whack, and sometimes there's no going back." sounds a good basis for a song to me.
Very funny!
I have no idea how I came out with that rhyme.
Instrumentals only for me, thanks.
Otherwise, I'd have to talk about how my woman and my dog left etc. Or my woman came back and my dog left. And I don't even have a dog.
Anyway, another +1 for multiple levels of Undo.
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Very much agreed. One can only wonder at why these very reasonable requests are continually ignored year after year.
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