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hey everyone. I'm always pushing the limit on biab. I'm working on a song and I need to get a low A on the midi bass. I put to song together in my older ver. of biab 2013. froze the midi bass and edited the note and worked great. my new ver. won't go low enough. in preferences there is a place to change that but not seeing any change any thoughts.
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ok I figure what happen I changed the bass midi part to a Hi Q midi patch and that won't go low enough. that will be okay
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Good detective work, and very helpful to post the answer here.
I don't have a lot of experience with Hi Q patches, but I would have been surprised by this behavior as well.
This might make a good Wishlist request.
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John, here was my answer to a similar question that was asked: "Bass and guitar are written an octave higher than they sound. For example a true concert middle C, on a piano it is on the first ledger line below the treble staff C, is on the third space of the treble staff for a guitarist, i.e. written an octave higher than it sounds. So if your MIDI bass line is for it's actual notes (concert middle C) and your sound source is expecting an octave higher bass line (written) you may loose the lower notes. Sometimes it is visa-versa. Every sound source and MIDI base line is either one way of the other and it's up to you to match them. But all you have to do is to transpose the bass line either up or down an octave so it matches your sound source. For the in-depth Midiots I know there is some controversy over what is middle C. I am using the most common C5 MIDI note 60, read here: http://www.electronics.dit.ie/staff/tscarff/Music_technology/midi/midi_note_numbers_for_octaves.htmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_%28musical_note%29 I hope this helps and is not too confusing." Now the question that I have is which low A are you looking to add? Is it a realistic low A that any 4 or 5 string bass can play? If yes that the above comments come into play and you would have to raise the BiaB bass track one octave. If it isn't then you would need to find a bass sound that covers the entire piano range of notes. There are some out there so google/bing can help you search for one. I hope this helps.
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thanks I understood part of what you were saying. the song I'm working on is a Merle H. song [Going where the lonely go]. the A that biab is playing is the 5th string on a guitar. which is the 2nd A below middle C so I'm wanting the 3nd A below middle C. the style I'm using is all midi with real drums. the standard midi bass hits the note I want. it will work fine this way. sometimes I hear bass parts and want to put them in my song.
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thanks I understood part of what you were saying. the song I'm working on is a Merle H. song [Going where the lonely go]. the A that biab is playing is the 5th string on a guitar. which is the 2nd A below middle C so I'm wanting the 3nd A below middle C. the style I'm using is all midi with real drums. the standard midi bass hits the note I want. it will work fine this way. sometimes I hear bass parts and want to put them in my song.
\ John, maybe this will help you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_guitarMy music computer is down right now so I can not verify this but it sounds like the BiaB is written in the actual notation and your "standard MIDI bass", whatever that is, expects notes in actual notation. That is the A written is the identical A on a piano. The Hi-Q bass notes are in the expected printed form for a bass. That is the note on the sheet music is written one octave higher than it sounds. It sounds like you are a guitarist so you know that the C played on the B string's first fret is written on the third space of the sheet music. BUT it is sounding a middle C, the one that is one ledger line below the staff. The same is true for a bass. What you need to do is to transpose the BiaB bass up an octave and it should play fine on the Hi-Q bass. FWIW - I run into this all the time. The problem is there is no standards for companies. Thus some are for the actual notations and some for the transposed notations.
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Just a guess, but would changing Preferences,Channels for bass from -1 to 0 do it?
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