|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
How do you old pros handle a retard on an ending? Let me guess, tempo map? Thanks.
Last edited by Milt; 04/14/16 05:54 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199 |
Milt,
You might want to check out the click track feature, too.
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
Thanks, Noel, I'll look into that. Now if I can only get realband to regenerate some tracks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199 |
Try...
1. Click on the track.
2. CTRL+A to select all the track.
3. Right-click on the track and look at the 'generate' options in the right-click menu that pops up.
That should do the job for you.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
|
eddie1261
Unregistered
|
|
eddie1261
Unregistered
|
You may want to edit that again so the PC Police don't hassle you.
Ritard..... short for ritardando.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
Thanks, Noel.
To hell with the pc police!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,665
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,665 |
The musical term is spelled with an "i"... Ritardando.... often abbreviated as "rit".... I do all my Rit in BB. It's really easy to go into the measures/bars and edit the beats per measure and the tempo. Once you enter that info into the BB structure, any and all tracks you generate in RB will follow that rit. When I need to slow down at the very end of the song, I usually do it this way.... Given that: a ritarded ending normally happens in 2 measures of the song..... assuming a 4 beat measure ....and normally at the end. So I add several measures.... make them all 2 beat measures..essentially, I'm having BB use two 2 beat measures to do what it used to do in one 4 beat measure....... extra measures after the hold allow for a smooth decay of the final held chord. Now, lets say the song is at 120BPM... the first 2 beat bar is 110, the next is 100, the next is 90, the next is 80. The last note is held so tempo doesn't matter. I'm using 10 BPM as the slope.... you can do more or less to taste. The steps down are large enough that you can hear and feel the tempo change and the 2 beat measures are short enough, so that it doesn't feel jagged slowing down. You don't want the changes to sound like steps. You want it to sound like a smooth tempo change to the stop. One of my songs...Dust on the Floor ... uses this method. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13017714I've used this same technique in several songs.... you need to experiment to see what size tempo drop works best and sounds smooth. Same thing applies to the beats per measure but I've found that 2 beats at each new slower tempo generally works exceptionally well. You don't normally want to carry the ritardando out over a longer time frame than just a few measures for it to be effective and sound normal.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 04/15/16 02:05 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
|
eddie1261
Unregistered
|
|
eddie1261
Unregistered
|
Thanks, Noel.
To hell with the pc police! Just don't want anybody to think you are ritarded.... 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
"retard" my bad! Thanks hacker for the detailed 'how to'. I tried this ritard ending in BIAB, and it worked. I may just try to import the last 4 bars of the song from BIAB into RB and see if that works. I always export the tracks from RB into Reaper for doing vocals and any midi and audio editing. I can do the ritard there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,199 |
milt,
Also...
Just in case you are not aware, there are actually two main types of slowing down in music. Whichever one an arranger/composer chooses depends on the circumstances. Both of these can (unfortunately) be abbreviated to 'rit.'
The two types are...
1. Ritardando (also known as rallentando)
This is abbreviated to rit. or ritard. (and rall.) and means to gradually get slower.
2. Ritenuto
This is usually abbreviated to rit. and means to suddenly get slower. That is an immediate change from one tempo to the new tempo without any gradual slowing down.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,785
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,785 |
The two types are...
1. Ritardando (also known as rallentando)
This is abbreviated to rit. or ritard. (and rall.) and means to gradually get slower.
2. Ritenuto
This is usually abbreviated to rit. and means to suddenly get slower. That is an immediate change from one tempo to the new tempo without any gradual slowing down.
Method 2 is the way BiaB does it: bar by bar (not beat by beat which would be a vast improvement). This request is buried down there somewhere also for the BiaB wishlist.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Professional & Windows 11, Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384 |
Since this is the RB forum .. if you open the Tempo window there is a Fill option, which will insert a series of gradual changes in the Tempo Map, making it not a sudden change.. but rather a gradual one.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,785
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,785 |
Oooops, completely my mistake. Wrong forum.
Yes, RB does this very well.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Professional & Windows 11, Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
Thanks Rharv, I found that window and it does indeed work, but the real tracks that I regenerated after making the ritard are all sounding like they are pedaling 8th notes in the sustain. It's like I'm hearing loop points. The tracks that I generated yesterday sound fine, just the ones I regenerated today are having this problem. It's only happening on real tracks, not the midi tracks. Solved the ritard probem, but opened another. Any idea on what this might be? Thanks guys!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384 |
Maybe resolution is too course?
Also I think I recall a recent update mentioned attention to a 'stepping' effect for this.
Are you on the latest build? Just a thought..
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 90 |
rharv, if I may prevail upon you one more time, when you say resolution, what exactly are you referring to? I have the latest build, Thanks again for your time!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
RealBand
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,384 |
Try
Options (top menu)
Then click Resolution. If at 120 it may induce 'stepping' effect.
Changing the Resolution, then regenerating (using the new more concise resolution) may help.
Or it may be an effect you have on the tracks (trying to adjust to the volume changes) that is causing this .. hard to say without an example.
What you mean by "all sounding like they are pedaling 8th notes in the sustain" is kind of unclear here.
/Please pick one of your two recent threads to continue this discussion on
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,311
Posts790,839
Members39,856
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean