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I have BIAB 2016 for Windows and also for Mac. I'd like to use the BIAB 2016 for Windows on my Macbook Pro using Windows 10 and Parallels. It does run, but I have considerable latency when trying to using a MIDI keyboard for recording. Even without recording being on, there seems to be about a sixteenth note latency between when I press the key and when I hear it.
When I use BIAB 2016 for Mac, I don't have this problem at all, but I'd like to be able to use the Windows version. Is there perhaps some setting in BIAB, Parallels or Windows 10 that I need to change? Is there some way to further diagnose the situation?
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I don't know how it would work with a virtualized sound card, but you might want to try using the ASIO4ALL ASIO Driver (free download), which should remove your MIDI latency. Even on native Windows systems, there is MIDI latency when recording from a MIDI keyboard unless using an ASIO (or other low-latency) driver.
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Bruce, processing takes time and time equals latency. You are running Mac-Windows emulator, Win 10, BiaB and trying to record. This might not be possible without latency but I don't know for sure. I do know that you need ASIO drivers as John mentioned and you have to adjust your buffers, i.e. high buffer numbers also equal latency, in any OS. So if you don't have ASIO drivers get them; if you sound card doesn't have native ASIO buffers try ASIO4all as John has mentioned. However native drivers are always better. Then go to the lowest buffer setting your drivers allow. If there is no latency then raise your buffers until everything is working perfectly. Low buffer settings can cause playback problem like skips, pops and crackles. Let us know how you make out.
Ps - sometimes you have to record at a low buffer setting with no effects on any tracks to eliminate latency, then raise the buffer setting and activate the effects for playback. I have to do this with my Win 10 system when I have a few tracks with effects and I have a powerful music machine.
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This was also suggested. http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/rtpmidi.htmlI hope to give these a try soon. My main motivation in all of this was to be able to try RealBand, which so far is only available in the Windows version. And my motivation in wanting to try that is a need that I have to make a bunch of reasonable cover versions of songs in which I can play or drop out the melody line (or sometimes another instrumental part) and play it back at different tempos. It's a bit like making Karaoke arrangements, but not as demanding of realism. I've been real happy with the BIAB Mac version. I suppose I could consider just separating up a separate Windows laptop, but I travel a lot and want to share files to the Mac side, so that would be awkward.
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Well, I did get rtpmidi to work though it took a few hours to figure out how. It didn't seem to do much for the latency, though.
So it occurred to me that maybe the latency I am hearing is the latency of the software synthesizer in each case, since I just have a MIDI keyboard attached and depend on BIAB to echo back the sound. I didn't notice it much when using BIAB for Mac, but with BIAB for Windows it was easily noticeable, about like a 1/16th note in a moderately fast tempo. Is the Apple DLS software synth much faster at starting a sound than the Windows GS synth? Or is it just because I'm running Parallels and a typical Windows PC would be much faster at producing a tone?
Would using an average Windows laptop with BIAB make the keyboard recording sound about as immediate as Mac BIAB on my Macbook Pro?
Thanks,
Bruce
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I have been running BiaB under Parallels for many years (even though I recently switched to BiaB 2016 Mac version). I used an external USB audio & Midi interface with corresponding ASIO drivers, without any latency issues.
If you are using the built-in sound card, it is most likely the latency from the Windows MME audio driver that you hear. Using asio4all might lower the latency, it's worth trying.
Hope you can sort it out!
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I don't know that I've exactly solved my problem, but through a combination of BIAB Mac, BIAB Windows and RealBand, I am getting my work done in at least an irregular manner. I'd like to be able to do everything I want to do from one place or possibly two in sequence. I may get there but I'm not there yet. I have some different sort of questions, which I'll post appropriately.
In general, I find MIDI recording easiest with BIAB Mac. But when I want to add audio tracks, I mostly use RealBand on the Windows side. I get a scratchy ringing when I try to do it in BIAB Mac, but maybe I have a mismatched sample rate somewhere. I'm using a ProSonus USBBox for my audio and occasionally my MIDI interface. I'm using a Roland JD-Xi for both my MIDI input and my audio input (through the ProSonus), which is quite versatile.
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