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Is it possible to start with auditioning a RealDrum and add just a Bass to create a Style?
I've been finding a complete style and then muting all the other instruments and creating a Style for the song. File>StyleMaker>Save current song (except muted instruments) as a style.
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The simplest way I have found is to find a style, any style, that matches your requirements, such as even / swing, 8 / 16, genre (country, jazz, rock etc) tempo. Just pick one that is close.
Copy and rename it. It doesn't have to be in the bb library, but there's no harm either.
Then import the instruments from other styles that you want. You can add your RD from the misc tab
Basically you are creating a hybrid style, so you can watch the video for that to get more ideas.
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If you already know a RealDrum Style that works, try loading a "blank" style and then add each realTrack as you see fit.
I use this method 99% of the time to get a style that works well with what I am looking for.
You can then search the RealTracks for genre, tempo and feel to match closer to what you are looking for.
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If you already know a RealDrum Style that works, try loading a "blank" style and then add each realTrack as you see fit.
I use this method 99% of the time to get a style that works well with what I am looking for.
You can then search the RealTracks for genre, tempo and feel to match closer to what you are looking for.
Trax Yes Muzic Trax this is what I want to do. How do you load a "Blank" style? I've tried setting the preferences to open with no song, or style, but I keep getting a blank song with _JAZFRED.STY loaded in the style box. I then mute the piano, select the realdrum style I want to use, add a Bass RealTrack in that style and Save File>StyleMaker> Save song (except Muted Instruments) as a style, name it and go from there. This is all I need to back up my acoustic guitar singer/songwriter stuff.
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Problems with most of the BIAB videos? They are using a very old version of the program. They go way too fast, clicking buttons, moving the mouse to this point and that.. I have to watch the video 5 times, or keep pausing the video looking back and forth between my BIAB version and the video to try and see the label on the buttons, to catch what I need to know. If PG wants people to continue to upgrade each year, change a bunch of these videos to the latest version. Especially the basic ones. I know I was lost watching a bunch of 2009 videos when I was on 2015.
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Problems with most of the BIAB videos? They are using a very old version of the program. They go way too fast, clicking buttons, moving the mouse to this point and that.. I have to watch the video 5 times, or keep pausing the video looking back and forth between my BIAB version and the video to try and see the label on the buttons, to catch what I need to know. If PG wants people to continue to upgrade each year, change a bunch of these videos to the latest version. Especially the basic ones. I know I was lost watching a bunch of 2009 videos when I was on 2015.
Yes, it must be a huge task for PGM staff to update videos and documentation every year to keep abreast of the product features. It will be a major task for them for 2017 when they release the all new version with the completely revised and totally updated User Interface...
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Quite correct VideoTrack.
Problem is, few companies devote adequate resources to proper documentation--note the word, "proper." In theory, this entire forum should only be about sharing great songs and ideas on how to use BIAB. Most of the forum is devoted to explaining how to use the program. Why? Because documentation is what it is, including the videos. To be honest (and as an old guy raised on Basic A and Fortran), I'm not sure it's possible to easily document everything in a sophisticated program like BIAB. Most applications today are way beyond the average user.
I am a technical writer and technical writing instructor at a college in Toronto. I was shocked when I opened my BIAB product and found a small hardcopy manual! Hats off to Peter and the team for this. The small manual is written primarily in a tutorial style, which is the least desirable of the two most common formats: tutorial and user's guide. The videos help, but all this costs money. It becomes a balancing act between budget and keeping customers happy.
I rewrote several manuals for a Toronto-based company. The manuals described how to use very complex laser guided autofocus systems for microscopes. They employed 23 engineers, 30 percent of whom spent the better part of their day at the Help desk. Why? Because the manuals were garbage. After my two year contract, I had rewritten all their user's guides and reference manuals (a huge task). The Help desk activity dropped by 50 percent.
I tried to get a job at Yorkville Sound as a technical writer. Their engineers and secretaries write the manuals, and it shows. I bought a powered mixer from them and found nine mistakes in the first ten lines of the manual!!
Peter's documentation needs some work, but again, hats off to him for spending some money on videos and documentation. I would love to know what program he used for writing his manuals. I tried opening the online PDF manual (after conversion) into MS Word, and the program crashed! MS Word is pretty poor at the best of times. Peter may have used FrameMaker or InDesign.
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It will be a major task for them for 2017 when they release the all new version with the completely revised and totally updated User Interface... Tried to slip that one in thinking no one would notice  .
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We noticed. chuckled and moved on.
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Open the style menu and simply type in blank in the search box. There are 4/4 and 3/4 blank styles which allow Biab to set up with the correct timing. Then you add whichever Realtracks you see fit for your song.
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We noticed. chuckled and moved on. I read it, CHOKED and said no, I can't learn another new thing.
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@Lee
When I first purchased BIAB I tried to learn it using the videos, and the helpless files. No luck, finally David Snyder invited me over to his house and showed me the ropes.
Documentation, new help files,new videos are needed. Just the number and diversity of the questions on this forum indicate this.
I'm learning a lot of features by making mistakes, that's not good.
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While I've watched a few videos, pretty much all I have learnt about BIAB has come from the manual and playing around. These forums have also been very useful with extending my knowledge.
While I haven't used it, Youtube, and the BIAB users on there, is also another great resource that forum users often refer to.
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It's in the \bb folder and is called "Band-in-a-Box 2016 Manual.pdf"
In Window 7, there is a shortcut to the manual under the Start Menu and 'Band In A Box' folder.
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Are we stirring the pot a little early this year?  Larry
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Are we stirring the pot a little early this year? Larry Well, no good waiting until December. Maybe I was a little too subtle?
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I agree, DGA. There are two fundamental requirements of good documentation:
* The information must be usable (Written to the correct audience, understandable, and usable by all.)
* Retrievable (Can users find the information?)
Technical writing is probably the lowest priority in any company budget. It takes a lot of convincing to show management that their developers' time is better spent, well, "developing" not answering questions that a well written manual should address. I believe the philosophy is, "We have a computer and a word processor. We can write our own manuals." Nothing could be further from the truth. A computer and word processor are merely tools. If I own $50,000 in cabinet making tools, does it automatically mean can I build fine walnut furniture?
I'm drifting from the original topic, but there seems to be a legitimate concern about the documentation. I will finish by saying, when you let developers write the manuals, you have made a fundamental error--that is, the users' schemata (how they commonly process information) often doesn't match that of the developers'. To write programs and code takes an advanced and logical mind set. Most users do not come close to that type of schemata, hence, anything the developer documents is likely to be totally misunderstood. For the life of me, I can't find my way around LinkedIn and Facebook. My navigational schemata just won't permit it. What does this mean? The folks who built those sites think one way, and I think another. Are they wrong? No, just different. However, their developers have missed the mark. The younger generation usually have no issue with those two sites. I'm 63 years old, which means I was weaned with a slide rule, not a Pentium IV!
I'm not putting in a plug for my skills, however, if Peter is interested (and for the benefit of all) I would be more than happy to perform a usability analysis of the documentation, starting with the online PDF manual. Such a study involves a usability chart developed by my colleague at IBM. It provides a quantitative assessment of "how ready" the document is for release. It also points out specific areas that need to be fixed.
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I'm drifting from the original topic,
I'm 63 years old, which means I was weaned with a slide rule, not a Pentium IV!
OK with me to drift abit. This slide rule comment caught my attention. You and me are the same age, but besides seeing my Dad with his Slide Rule I never actually used one. High School was a blur and I went to college in my mid 20's. But by then the first wave of calculators was becoming available and I quickly latched on. By my first year in Grad School I had a Commodore 64 which I was writing code to do linear regressions and charting. Can honestly say I have not seen a slide rule since it was in the hands of my Dad who is long passed away - by the way he was an IBM Service Engineer. I wonder what ever happened to that? Ok, back to topic now.
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Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
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È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
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Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
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Voilà, enjoy!
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