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So, yeah .. my wife is the ULTIMATE critic when it comes to music.
She listened to some of my music created in BIAB where I did NOT play an instrument and observed that there is no smooth transition from one lead to another lead instrument. How do you experts deal with that sort of thing?
Thanks for your input!
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It's a good point Mike, although I don't know the answer.
Often the next player will play one or two bars of 'pickup notes' leading them into their particular rendition. I don't think that BiaB currently does that at such a level.
It would probably be a great feature for the Wishlist?
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Good tip, Trev ... maybe, it comes down to the final mix with SONAR that I use for all my music. Maybe, stretching out that last note a bit would help?
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Posted in the BIAB wishlist... we shall see 
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So, yeah .. my wife is the ULTIMATE critic when it comes to music.
She listened to some of my music created in BIAB where I did NOT play an instrument and observed that there is no smooth transition from one lead to another lead instrument. How do you experts deal with that sort of thing?
Thanks for your input!
I think you will find that most progress from BIAB to RB for further generation of songs and then, most finish their project in a DAW. There are things you can do within BIAB to help transitions and many times they are quite effective. I think you will find it easier to progress from BIAB to RB to DAW. You can achieve very professional mixes doing it that way.
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Patience, lots of patience, and very careful audio editing. I submit this as an example: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13017714I will often render multiple tracks of a given lead instrument to get several options because each track is slightly different. One of them may have pickup notes where the others don't. The intro is a nice swapping of parts seamlessly. Starting with the fiddle and having the dobro come in to pick up the second part of the intro. Further on....Notice the solo transition from the mandolin to the fiddle. I needed the mando to complete it's part and in this song it left the part hanging for the next phrase...it ended up being a perfect hand off to the next player..... The fiddle came in with some pickup notes that worked perfectly for a transition. The entire secret if there is one is to do surgical audio edits by zooming in and listening to where the transitions should be occurring. Let real band render as many tracks of the same exact track number as you need to get the results you're looking for. Edit the audio carefully. Nothing wrong with a copy, cut, and paste either if that works. I've done that more than once when the part I wanted in one place existed in a totally different place in the song. In another song.... The Best Christmas (on my music website) the piano fills are comped from 2 or 3 piano tracks and the guitar solo in that song is a combination of 5 unique guitar track renderings and the extensive use of volume envelopes in Sonar. Post a link to the song you're referring to. It's easier to give specific advice when there's an example to refer to.
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Sometimes I will generate a RT and listen carefully on the measure or two prior to the instrumental lead. When I find one that fits I freeze and save that track. In Sonar I use a gain envelope to slowly bring the lead up to volume. You can also use CC11 for this operation. I use CC7 for the track's main volume control with either gain, CC11 or CC2 to control the various volumes within the track. YMMV.
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Thanks for all the great input, guys! Appreciate it. Here is one of the pieces where my wife says the transitions are chopped. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13272537Thanks again!!!
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Just my 2cents
I like the drums.
The first half of the song the piano carries the melody line and does an ok job. I am listening for a theme and I hear it most of the time with the piano.
The second half the guitar comes in and here is where I have troubles. This is actually the kind of atmosphere music I write and play as a guitarist so I know how hard it is for the guitar to find the theme and stick to it. This guitarist doesn't do it so well. The guitar tone effect changes does not help either.
Most of the song had the pads and they keep a steady sound. However there are one or two places in the song (I can give you times if you can't hear them) where the pitch really wabbles - maybe wifey is hearing these "artifacts".
Thanks for sharing. It is always wise to listen to the wife.
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IMO it is a combination of things in this example.
Drum fills are not faithful to the song. I *think* this is because the drums do not do what I expect. Sometimes this is good, but in this song a couple times the fill matches the genre the style was intended for, not this song.
I get it.
Additional RD generations may (likely) solve this, if done only on the fills (and on additional tracks) .. in other words using RB .. so you can mix/match. I think that part is fixable.
I also hear a glitch, towards the end.
At around 3:57 there is an edit which sticks out .. not sure if guitar is affected or multiple tracks, but I hear it here. Sounds like an edit that didn't go well as opposed to a BB (or RB) generating issue. This sounds like a user edit to me.
Just trying to help.
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Interesting piece. For a piece of music like this, you really need to have a common melodic theme. This kind of drifts. When I first started, I was doing lots of instrumental tunes. Some were lacking a certain something... a mishmash of styles and instruments that didn't fit well. Somewhere South of Here: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=8043230A bit further on, I was learning more about how to put things together so they were a bit more cohesive and enjoyable. Emerald Eyes: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9414184I didn't hear any major gaffs in your tune, just a general "no direction" kind of feel. Yep there's an artifact there at 3:57. When you have those.... regenerate the real track it happens in. Sometimes, it's an issue between 2 tracks. nothing is inherently wrong in either track but put together, it's obvious. So.... try to get a better direction or theme going and make the instruments the star. Playing a live theme on guitar would certainly help give it some consistency and direction.
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Thanks guys - GREAT input from everyone! I really appreciate it!!!
Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
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