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We are using BIAB 2015 in our studio.
We love the RealTracks feature in BIAB.
I am looking over all the new RealTrack series that are being released on the website.
I can't believe that the new RealTracks will only work with 2016 version.
What is this all about! We are not able to purchase new Real Tracks.
Software that is a year old cannot play the newly released RealTracks!
Something is wrong here.
As a long time user of BIAB - since the DOS days - I find this very upsetting.
Has anyone tested this?
This is unethical in my mind.
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Probably not unethical, just the reality of evolution of this and many other products.
Older version perhaps don't recognize some of the features of the newer realtracks, and don't know how to handle them, etc.
Newer versions are made to work with older and newer realtracks and therefore can handle both.
(You probably cannot open that latest MS Word .docx document with the version of Word that came with Windows 95. Same difference isn't it?)
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Hugh difference. We are talking about one year.
BIAB 2015 to BIAB 2016 is not Windows 95 to Windows 10!
Windows 95 was released August 24, 1995!
RealTracks are only audio files.
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I use an old copy of Office and open new Word docx files using a free addon from Microsoft.
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Hugh difference. We are talking about one year.
BIAB 2015 to BIAB 2016 is not Windows 95 to Windows 10!
Windows 95 was released August 24, 1995!
RealTracks are only audio files.
Maybe I should have used a later version than Windows 95 in my example. I fully understand how new features might not be compatible with an earlier model, even if the older model is not that old. Simply put, if the functionality in the older version didn't anticipate requirements of newer features, then how could it accommodate them? Perhaps the program needs to know about every option beforehand, rather than loading them on the fly like a MIDI file. I'm not the developer so I cannot answer definitively. Back on topic: My choice was to upgrade BiaB and take advantage of the newer RealTracks. Probably not what you want to hear, but at least everybody has that choice. BTW: You're not alone. I've purchased this product only to find an update came out shortly after and I missed out on the new features. We're of course only end-users like you. You could talk to PGM Support for more knowledge of the upgrade mechanisms, and what will work in your 2015 version.
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Well, I feel your pain but the same thing happened in the audio world. The software operating systems went from 32 bits to 64 bits with the new release of a 64bit OS.
Suddenly, all of the software drivers that were 32 bit would not work on the 64 bit systems and lots of things would no longer work. You either had to buy the new product or get the fix if the programmers were feeling generous. If you bought within 12 months, they normally upgraded you for free, but beyond that.... nope.
Someone came out with J-bridge.... but the fact is manufacturers and programmers are upgrading and improving things all the time and while many times, the new stuff will work on the older platforms, some times it doesn't.
Just out of curiosity, have you asked support about this?
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I seem to recall the RealTracks will work with older programs but will not integrate correctly with the Stylepicker and show up in searches.
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Though I'm not certain because I only have the latest build of 2016, I think Charlie is correct. I thought newer 2016 RealTracks are selectable individually in 2015; it's just a case of having these newest XtraStyles show up, and for that new feature you need 2016.
In general, it's great when software is backward compatible, but there is never a guarantee it will be forward compatible.
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Thank you guys for the quick responses.
It's expensive to update.
You would think the core program of BiaB would last longer than a year and that you could buy additional packages along the way to enhance it.
One year is very short lifespan even for a software program.
I sure love my Cakewalk Pro Audio ver 9 for midi. Old but solid as a rock. I still use Sonar Producer 3 but Reaper is my DAW software.
Reasonable price - rock solid and free updates almost every month!
All BiaB RealTracks are saved as waves and imported into Reaper.
Works great.
BiaB now forces you to upgrade to use the new RealTracks.
Disappointed is the word I think is best to describe this problem and I'm a huge fan of BiaB since the 90's.
Thanks for the input.
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It might be that just something simple like the "What add-ons do I have" function won't reflect the newer styles, or the demo won't play, but they may still be selectable from the StylePicker.
I asked the PG Support team what happens if you purchase a 2016 style. Would it still be usable by the 2015 program, even though there may be some limitations?
I'll report back what I find.
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As far as I recall, this is first time this has happened, and it's because of the new XtraStyles feature just added.
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The Real Tracks are made by paying studio musicians and studio time. PG Music needs to be reimbursed for their time, no?
Sorry if Mis-interpreted your question? We have to pay for the latest and greatest.
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You are correct. I thought you wanted the latest RTs for a freebie, I apologize. The 2016 RTs *should* work in Biab 2015.
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You could use the 2016 RealTracks with 2015 but there are inconveniences. Dr. Peter Gannon says something here: http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=323287&Searchpage=1&Main=47410&Words=realtracks&Search=true#Post323287Sometimes evolution has new features where the code of the older version cannot handle newer developments. VideoTrack mentioned different Windows versions. I chime in but I'm using a different harmony. In Windows XP you could search for certain properties like title or certain keywords of files. You still can do this in Windows 10, but since Windows Vista you cannot see the respective entries of e.g. pdf-files anymore. Microsoft was wiping out lots of hours of work put in by users worldwide. While evolution in software almost always make older files useless after one, two or maybe three generations; PGMusic so far establishes a backward compatibility to the oldest files. If you need an example of bad customer relationship, Microsoft again jumps in as a volunteer. There are features in Access that we used in Access 2000 and could convey to 2003 but no version of Access later than that is able to run the procedures and there is no (!) conversion to newer functions. And to continue, it is no more possible to install Access 2000 on Windows version after XP -- well you can, but you cannot install any other software after Office 2000 is installed. It destroys the UAC. Updates can be expensive. But often the most expensive update is the one we skip.
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OK, here's the official response from PGM Support:
The 2016 styles are technically usable in the 2015 software. However generally the 2016 styles are going to need to reference a 2016 Realtracks which the customer would not have unless they had purchased them separately.
Even it is still a bit of a grey area as the new Xtra Styles Pak states on the website it requires the latest build for 2016.
I would suggest the customer upgrade the full software if he wishes to use the new styles. If he were to upgrade to an UltraPlusPAK, EverythingPAK or Audiophile Edition they would then have all the new styles and RealTracks would be included in the 2016 upgrade.
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Thank you going the extra mile on this. I'm still a little confused. All I want to do is go online and purchase some of the latest RealTrack packages that caught my interest. I will update to 2016 on my own time. I feel like we are being forced to update to keep up with the new stuff. I can't state it any stronger but I'm using ver. from 2015!I'm not using Band in a Box 2001! I'm tempted to order some RealTracks for the 2016 ver just to try & see if they will work. Thanks again. Great forum support! Appreciate it. OK, here's the official response from PGM Support:
The 2016 styles are technically usable in the 2015 software. However generally the 2016 styles are going to need to reference a 2016 Realtracks which the customer would not have unless they had purchased them separately.
Even it is still a bit of a grey area as the new Xtra Styles Pak states on the website it requires the latest build for 2016.
I would suggest the customer upgrade the full software if he wishes to use the new styles. If he were to upgrade to an UltraPlusPAK, EverythingPAK or Audiophile Edition they would then have all the new styles and RealTracks would be included in the 2016 upgrade.
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The RealTracks will work with 2015.
What everybody else is referring to is the styles. There is a change in the picture and your 2015 StylePicker has difficulties to address the 2016 styles. But the RealTracks are not affected.
It is just bad luck on your side that some major changes are done while you're entering the (moving) train.
You said that updating is expensive. Since I don't know you and your circumstances I cannot argue. I only can state some facts. The current price for the update is USD 129. The last years the update price during the discount season was USD 99 (if you had the current version of that time).
You don't have to buy the complete version, the update, called the PlusPAK, is sufficient. This PlusPAK also includes all the regular styles and RealTracks that are new with BIAB 2016.
Having said this, there is a 49-PAK with some more RealTracks which is available in August 2016, because of the new Xtra styles that reference some of these RealTracks. These may or may not be included in the 2017 version.
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I have BIAB 2011 Pro and bought a couple of style packs a couple of months ago - they aren't the newest sets but they work well with my 2011.
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Hi All,
The new extra stylepak is brilliant well worth the money. Depending on circumstances of course, I don't feel the upgrades along with new real tracks once a year are expensive. PG have to pay their staff and developing costs and musicians to give us such a great program.
Usually we have had an upgrade mid year I am guessing PG are running out of ideas of what to add to BinB so I assume in the future we will be offered more and more of these new extra styles, so worth upgrading to 2016 I feel.
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Thanks for the reply. This makes sense to me. How could the "RealTracks" not work? I never mentioned the word "styles". I do know the difference. Please you check out: 63 New Rock-Pop RealTracks in Sets 228-235... (Rock-Pop RealPAK Vol 12) Requires Band-in-a-Box 2016 or higher in the description.And it's in red. I would like to think that they would like to be able to sell these new RealTracks to customers who purchased their software one year earlier. I hope your clarification is correct. The RealTracks will work with 2015.
What everybody else is referring to is the styles. There is a change in the picture and your 2015 StylePicker has difficulties to address the 2016 styles. But the RealTracks are not affected.
It is just bad luck on your side that some major changes are done while you're entering the (moving) train.
You said that updating is expensive. Since I don't know you and your circumstances I cannot argue. I only can state some facts. The current price for the update is USD 129. The last years the update price during the discount season was USD 99 (if you had the current version of that time).
You don't have to buy the complete version, the update, called the PlusPAK, is sufficient. This PlusPAK also includes all the regular styles and RealTracks that are new with BIAB 2016.
Having said this, there is a 49-PAK with some more RealTracks which is available in August 2016, because of the new Xtra styles that reference some of these RealTracks. These may or may not be included in the 2017 version.
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Well, this is what I take from Peter Gannon in the thread that I linked previously ...
(... and from others who bought them with versions prior 2016 and posted it here in the forum somewhere ...)
... and there is always the money back guarantee.
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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