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Thx John, but the links didn't appear to come across, at least for me........can others see/click on?
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Even though many moan about its clunkiness I am still amazed at the sheer brilliance of what it actually achieves for ME.
... Well, there are way too many people who prefer the shine over the funtionality.  Why not strive for both? Lots of products deliver both!
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Well, there are way too many people who prefer the shine over the funtionality. Well, of course Captain Obvious (just getting into the mood here <grin>). Salesmanship 101: "Sell the sizzle not the steak." Joe5, there was a pretty famous user here named Harvey Gerst but he hasn't posted in a while. He's famous enough you can Google him. He's a big time recording engineer and studio owner. He uses Biab all the time to add tracks for clients who've used up their budget for studio time. Mixing live players with some Biab tracks is probably the best way to produce an original song for distribution. But there are folks here who've done it with all Biab tracks. And yes you MUST get into Real Band at the same time you're learning Biab 2016. Don't overlook it. Bob
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there was a pretty famous user here named Harvey Gerst but he hasn't posted in a while. As I recall, Harvey Gerst produced some of Buffalo Springfield's work.
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Thx John, but the links didn't appear to come across, at least for me They're just YouTube videos. Where are you, because Noel indicated he could view them (from Australia).
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John, I certainly had no problem with the links either.
Maybe the O/P has restricted access to YouTube. I wonder where from.
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I tried Realband the first time it came up, years ago. I was (and still am) using Reaper flawlessly, but I really tried to learn RealBand because the idea of combining a DAW with BIAB functions seemed fantastic to me. But after some experimentation with the program, I just gave up, because it was extremely slow and buggy.
A couple of years (and versions) later, I tried again: the idea was still fantastic, and after all I had only tried the first version, so supposedly the program should be much more solid now. Unfortunately, RealBand still was extremely unstable on my system (a system, btw that runs all kind of audio software without any problems).
After reading this thread, I've just installed v2016 (build 9) on my system, to give RB a third chance. After installing the program, the first thing I literally did was pressing on the "Style" button. Guess what? The program just freezed, and the only way to restart it was closing it through the Windows Task Manager.
Uninstalling the program now...
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Sorry Cerio but you seem to have no idea how to set it up or how RB works. Read the docs and watch the YT videos.
At some point when you do NOT SEE tons of posts here from folks with the same problems as you have, it's time to look in the mirror and just figure it out...
Look at my sig, I have the same computer you do except I have 16 gigs of ram which shouldn't matter. No program is perfect but I've been using RB since the first day it was released and so have many, many (did I say many as in a whole lot?) of other users here.
It's on you. If you're serious open a thread on the RB forum, explain what you've been doing and what your RB config windows look like and we'll get you going.
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I find RealBand to be slow and buggy too! Tried using a mirror but it was still slow and buggy!  I cannot imagine trying to use it for actual production. It has not frozen on me but then all I use is for it to generate RealTracks when I can't get what I want from BIAB.
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"I tried Realband the first time it came up, years ago. I was (and still am) using Reaper flawlessly"
That's it RealBand's great when it's working but when you say it needs a rewrite in a new language out come the knives, so you are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I got endless attacks from stating the bleeding obvious, it's like being in a time warp in a hidden corner of the internet.
The bugs, errors and unfixed problems keep on for years and years, and the "Expert Programmers" come on here and say the "the old Delphi program from the DOS days is fine, you are crazy, deranged, let's stick with it for another 50 years".
RealBand should work flawlessly, I see so many user put off because it don't.
As you say Reaper don't have all these problems, why ? is it a baffling mystery ? really ?
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Perhaps they never will"
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John, I certainly had no problem with the links either.
Maybe the O/P has restricted access to YouTube. I wonder where from. I'm at work and they seem fine. Weird. At home they looked like these rectangular black boxes and nothing to click on. #$# gremlins. Will try again tonight
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RealBand should work flawlessly, I see so many user put off because it don't.
As you say Reaper don't have all these problems, why ? is it a baffling mystery ? really ?
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FWIW When RB launches, it does a bunch of behind the scenes stuff before it is ready.
I always watch the CPU meter in RB in upper right.
Once it settles down after a few seconds it's good to go. These few seconds are well worth it to me.
The initial launch after an install takes even longer, as RB is building some files, checking Realtrack locations, style locations (which are often different) creating a few config changes and doing a small test.
You may get a pop up saying RB can't find the realtracks, etc.
When RB first looks like it is ready, it isn't.
They should add a spin icon, or somehow indicate to 'hold on a sec' before clicking stuff.
You may have launched stylepicker while RB was still checking if it knew where the styles were or something ..
This is one of the GUI things that few talk about but is important. More than the shiny mixer stuff ...
Only other thing i can think of is, on first launch of stylepicker you should get a flashing Flash message about the style list getting built.
Did you see the yellow box? If not my above scenario seems even more likely. If so, this can take a bit. And if you click around and change the focus, the stylepicker may end up popping up behind the main screen, which creates a situation where you appear to not be able to click on anything and in reality RB is waiting on a response from you, but the window needing the response is hidden behind the main screen.
I've seen people do this more than once.
Patience, especially first launch until everything gets built.
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Wait 10 seconds after it launches, look at the CPU readings in upper right.
If RB says 0% and the total CPU use looks pretty stable and low; it's probably ready.
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RealBand should work flawlessly, I see so many user put off because it don't.
As you say Reaper don't have all these problems, why ? is it a baffling mystery ? really ?
Exactly. A DAW should be, first and foremost, fast and rock solid, and RB isn't. This is obvious for anybody with some professional experience in studios (or at least, some familiarity with modern DAWs), but sometimes the forum is too much "fan oriented", and saying certain things that are obvious to everybody else (out of the forum) is just too much politically incorrect here.
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The bugs, errors and unfixed problems keep on for years and years, and the "Expert Programmers" come on here and say the "the old Delphi program from the DOS days is fine, you are crazy, deranged, let's stick with it for another 50 years"... Pipeline, you really need to settle down and stick to facts. I did a search for the words 'deranged' and '50 years' in the past 12 months, and the only time those words were used on this subject matter were in comments made by you. You mentioned 'deranged' in your post suggesting to close the thread. But you keep coming back to the topic. As has been said by others, the choice of Language is not the issue, and no one is programming any of this with a DOS version of Borland Pascal. I know that and you know that too. Everybody wants continual improvements - nobody commented otherwise. But you need to be accurate in your statements. None of what you said above is true.
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FWIW When RB launches, it does a bunch of behind the scenes stuff before it is ready.
I always watch the CPU meter in RB in upper right.
Once it settles down after a few seconds it's good to go. These few seconds are well worth it to me.
The initial launch after an install takes even longer, as RB is building some files, checking Realtrack locations, style locations (which are often different) creating a few config changes and doing a small test.
You may get a pop up saying RB can't find the realtracks, etc.
When RB first looks like it is ready, it isn't.
They should add a spin icon, or somehow indicate to 'hold on a sec' before clicking stuff.
You may have launched stylepicker while RB was still checking if it knew where the styles were or something ..
This is one of the GUI things that few talk about but is important. More than the shiny mixer stuff ...
Only other thing i can think of is, on first launch of stylepicker you should get a flashing Flash message about the style list getting built.
Did you see the yellow box? If not my above scenario seems even more likely. If so, this can take a bit. And if you click around and change the focus, the stylepicker may end up popping up behind the main screen, which creates a situation where you appear to not be able to click on anything and in reality RB is waiting on a response from you, but the window needing the response is hidden behind the main screen.
I've seen people do this more than once.
Patience, especially first launch until everything gets built.
Luanch RB
Wait 10 seconds after it launches, look at the CPU readings in upper right.
If RB says 0% and the total CPU use looks pretty stable and low; it's probably ready.
Thanks for the hints, Rharv, probably I will try the program again in the next days. It's only that the first impression after a few years wasn't exactly impressive...
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Cerio,
When you run Realband, also try right-clicking on the shortcut and set the properties so that the program runs as administrator. I've done that since I first installed it years ago and it's always worked fine.
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"Thanks for the hints, Rharv, probably I will try the program again in the next days. It's only that the first impression after a few years wasn't exactly brilliant to me." Make sure you have the latest bb427, I have RB on another pc and the stylepicker would not come up after bbw2 opened, but after updating bb to 427 it worked. "Pipeline, you really need to settle down and stick to facts." 100% accurate, read between the lines. I know the story sooooooo well. As said earlier it is Fan based, protective culture, tonne of bricks scenario. You would not want to come up with an idea like a new GUI and they all do the protective culture, tonne of brick scenario "That ain't never gonna happen !"  ? You need to aim a bit higher don't limit yourself to others limits, look at all the "That ain't never gonna happen !" ? Do you yourself think now that it ain't never gonna happen ? Knocking things is easy, coming up with ideas, solutions and encouragement would be better. Maybe it's why the software is still where it is because those that speak out for the good of the product are put down by the fans, feel they are fighting a loosing battle and give up and leave.
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Please unblock your PM setting (even if only temporary) and we'll discuss this at a gentleman's level in more detail off site. In many ways you actually don't know exactly how much I agree with you, and certainly support your intentions.
If you do unblock, send me a PM and I'll reply.
(Peace)
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RealBand should work flawlessly, I see so many user put off because it don't.
As you say Reaper don't have all these problems, why ? is it a baffling mystery ? really ?
Exactly. A DAW should be, first and foremost, fast and rock solid, and RB isn't. This is obvious for anybody with some professional experience in studios (or at least, some familiarity with modern DAWs), but sometimes the forum is too much "fan oriented", and saying certain things that are obvious to everybody else (out of the forum) is just too much politically incorrect here. Any software should be fast and rock solid. But today's culture often prohibits this. Sometimes it seems that a large portion of our population craves for green bananas. Many users here have grown accoustomed to some of the perceived inconveniences. It is not that we like them, but the conveniences outweigh them. The vast majority of the regular forumites is friendly, helpful and positive. And we all want the software to improve. There are many fields where improvement would be welcomed openly. When it comes to "fast", most modern programming environments contradict "fast" in the first place. There is too much overhead created that makes programs large ("They load slower") and the computer has to administer too much in its working memory ("They run slower"). Most of today's programs are snails compared to the programs of the 70s and 80s. Only today's computers are so fast that these facts seem not to be existent. (The current version of Excel wouldn't even fit on my harddisk of the 80s that had the then breathtaking size of 30 MB and did cost a fortune. And at 25 MHz processor speed this thing would take forever to load -- neglecting for a moment that it was a 16 bit processor and here I'm taking a 64 bit software as a role model.) As rharv said, RB is more than just a DAW. Look at RB as a close cousin of BIAB that wants to behave like a DAW. If you don't have a DAW, RB will happily jump in as a substitute.
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- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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