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I'll open up with a few thoughts.
A few years ago I experimented with not using any DirecTV and seeing what I could find online. I thought I got maybe 60% there. News is no problem at all. CNN, FOX and all the broadcast networks are online all the time. I use my big screen TV as my computer monitor so pic quality is important to me. If the online video isn't up to the standards of a cable/sat picture then what's the point of having a good quality big screen any more?
But lately things are much better to the point that good YT vids are full hi def and look great and so do the online news shows.
The big problem is still live sports. Baseball, the NFL and NBA are all locked up and not available via live streaming for home games from what I can tell. If you're not with a big provider it's the radio or nothing.
Then I found out about Windows Media Center, and using a cable card along with an HD HomerumPrime 3 tuner box going through my computer. I dropped DirecTV, switched to Verizon (for their cable card) and saved about $30 a month. Not a lot but I had unlimited storage on my hard drives and no DVR to mess with or pay for.
Now I have Win 10, MS killed Media Center so I'm back with Verizon, (now Frontier) with the usual DVR set up.
Like everybody else I only watch a few shows but I'm paying for all the stuff I never use so "cutting the cord" is very appealing.
So, what's new in this area?
Bob
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Great topic.
You already taught me new things, Bob. I think someone would have to be in a more urban area than I am to even have choices.
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A month prior to the Olympics, NBC announced their affiliate stations were permitted to broadcast ALL of NBC's Olympic coverage on secondary channels. Concurrently, ChannelMaster reported a sales boost of 1200% for outside antennas to receive over-the-air (OTA) broadcasts so obviously many people want to watch sports for free.
In 2006 I spent about $200 for over the air antenna components and my wife and I assembled and erected the 30 feet high antenna system. During NFL football season I can watch OTA games in three markets (Carolina Panthers, Washington Redskins or Atlanta Falcons). Without using the rotor my system receives about 27 secondary channels; using the rotor that number rises to over 50.
My satellite provider, DISH, had a receiver that include space for an optional, built-in over-the-air tuner. The over-the-air channels are intermingled with the satellite channels so secondary channels can be selected as well as satellite channels. Unfortunately DISH's program listings do not include OTA secondary channels. DISH is having a contract dispute with Tribune Broadcasting so DISH is not rebroadcasting the FOX network affiliate. That dispute does not affect my ability to receive the station over-the-air.
Free over the air broadcasts is alive and well for those willing to invest in an antenna system. My experience is an antenna system is well worth the investment.
Unfortunately, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) appears to be intent on eliminating or minimizing over the air broadcasts. The frequency spectrum space for UHF channels 50 to 75 has been reallocated from broadcasters and is being sold by auction for other uses. The FCC has issued an advisary notice that it is evaluating reallocating the frequency spectrum space allocated for channels 36 to 50.
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Yes wonderful topic Bob.
I was paying 185.00 for internet and TV we rarely watched. We cut everything but internet, which saved us 100.00 per month. We went to Apple TV (it was a Christmas gift)then subscribed to Netflix and Hula both run around 30.00 combined, added a 30.00 indoor antenna for local channels/news with no monthly cost so combined savings is around 850.00 per year.
I have also learned a lot from your post Bob.
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PS: I found I now watch shows I never new existed i.e. many of the music documentaries on Netflix and Hulu.
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Yes, there is a lot of cool stuff online. I find myself watching YT more than anything else right now.
BUT...for me I'm a big Lakers fan and now that my original hometown team, the LA Rams are back in town I'll be watching them too. Live local games are blacked out from any free services whether it's OTA or online. That's how the big sat/cable companies are fighting the cord cutters. I have heard a few rumblings that may change but I'm guessing if it does, the cost of local game packages will be pretty high.
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I'm not saying I know of any current operational sites (but I DO know they exist) but fans of team X do watch a game(s) together virtually.
One member has cable/dish and he shares the link to his slingbox or web server or whatever. If he gets cut off another member sends a new secure link.
All the while everyone can chat online during the game ("can u believe that call?? We got robbed").
If you search you can find them. I ain't interpreting the law here, just sayin'; it's not THAT hard to see the games online if you are determined to .. I had to travel during a couple games. Good luck finding a Lions game on TV when you are in Packers/Bears area .. unless they are playing each other, even then the commentary stinks.
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FOOTBALL!! That's what keeps me on the wire.... Now that my original hometown team, the LA Rams are back in town I'll be watching them too. A lot of bitter folks still coping in St. Louis on that one.....  Luckily I'm a Dallas fan. Good luck finding a Lions game on TV when you are in Packers/Bears area .. unless they are playing each other, even then the commentary stinks. <grin> I grew up in NW IL, complete 50-50 Bears/Packers fan base. Yucccckk.
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A lot of bitter folks still coping in St. Louis on that one..... smile Oh, boo hoo, they can cry me a river. Those lucky $**&%@! got the Rams best years in decades. Bob
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FOOTBALL!! That's what keeps me on the wire.... Now that my original hometown team, the LA Rams are back in town I'll be watching them too. A lot of bitter folks still coping in St. Louis on that one..... Luckily I'm a Dallas fan. Good luck finding a Lions game on TV when you are in Packers/Bears area .. unless they are playing each other, even then the commentary stinks. <grin> I grew up in NW IL, complete 50-50 Bears/Packers fan base. Yucccckk. A Dallas fan, sorry . . . I will keep you in my prayers, LOL! Laster,
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Oh, boo hoo, they can cry me a river. Those lucky $**&%@! got the Rams best years in decades. Awesome! You had Dickerson though....  Dallas fan, sorry . . . I will keep you in my prayers, LOL! Yeah, Romo down for the count again, broken bone in his back. It's the new rookie Dak show now.....
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Here's something that's interesting for sports fan cord cutters: http://www.cutcabletoday.com/sports/nba/lakers/I specifically searched for the Lakers but it sounds like all the other NBA teams are part of this too. Not 100% of the way there but it's closer than I thought. I'll see what I can find for football. I don't have to be able to watch every single game plus I go to friends houses and sports bars too. If I can get a decent percentage for 20 bucks a month plus a few other subs I just might be there. Bob
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Thanks Bob! I end up going to local sports bars for some Cowboys games since they are not on STL TV very much. This may be a good alternative.
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On their main page you will find all of the sports that you can watch: http://www.cutcabletoday.com/sports/Unfortunately for me my Buffalo Sabres (NHL) are not listed  Thanx Bob for bringing this to our attention.
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There's a similar thread to this on Keyboard Corner and several guys have tried Sling with completely different experiences. A few said it was good while a few more say it was almost useless. Depends on your internet service I guess. One potentially big deal is one guy said his problem was "Inability to record and a terrible user interface". Lots of things we take for granted with our TV viewing have to considered here.
One thing for sure I learned from my few years with Windows Media Center, you have to be a bit of a nerd to work with stuff like this. Willing to accept tech challenges and work through them. Once I went to Win 10 and lost WMC, I admit I felt some relief at the dead simple reliability of my Verizon (now Frontier) STB. But the cost still really bugs me...
The quest continues.
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Hey Bob, after researching Sling from my side on Dallas Cowboys football, I found that I cannot view their games from St. Louis. Fox has regional networks for its sports and Cowboys are part of Fox Sports South or South West. I'm in Fox Sports Midwest. As a result looks like that option is out. Looks like I'll be at the sports bar this coming Sunday.
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Yeah, and speaking of football I was excited to see the first LA Rams game in 20 years and they stunk up the place losing 28 to ZERO on Monday night. ZERO!? Couldn't even manage a field goal? There's always next week...
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Cord-cutting is a bit of a taboo topic for me since I used to work at one of Canada's top telco companies. I always got a bit weary in the meetings when they said prices were going up up up, so I understand people's dismay with TV.
That being said, TV has its usefulness in some regards (live events, etc).
Canada's a bit limited in our cord-cutting options since Netflix's content is a bit lacking (they just cracked down on people using VPNs), and Shomi is now out of the picture. Unauthorized streaming hasn't been made illegal here yet, but you can bet something's going to happen there pretty soon.
I hope Google will negotiate to have an on-demand service for YouTube soon. If anyone has the infrastructure for it, they do.
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I still keep reading articles about this but nothing that gets my heart started yet. The holy grail of cord cutting is to have the companies drop the gazillion channel bundles and just sell us whatever we want ala carte. Everything I read about that business says they would go out of business if they did that but that's only because the network broadcasters charge them so much.
Everybody knows that all of us DVR everything and skip through commercials yet the networks still charge huge money for ads on their shows. It's a dirty little secret in that business that nobody talks about. They're all tiptoeing past the graveyard. Because of that they can charge the sat/cable companies big bucks to carry all that content which forces them to force us to eat these huge bundles of channels we never watch. Eventually all that is going to collapse and a whole new model emerges. Maybe.
At least the Rams made a big comeback from that first game...
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In Canada, the CRTC (Canada's FCC) has called for change in the Canada cable industry.
In March of this year, it was determined that cable companies had to have a "skinny basic" package ($25 limited TV option) and smaller bundles (more choice for the customers. More choice unfortunately causes more confusion though).
By December of this year in Canada, cable companies must have a plan in place to sell channels à la carte. The problem with this method though is that yes, you can order the channels you want separately, but how much will it cost? More choice doesn't necessarily mean cheaper bill. Do you need to have a minimum of the $25 package? Will equipment be free like it was before (Probably not)? Etc. There's a lot of factors that go into it.
Shaw, for instance, did not allow you to get sports channels on that $25 skinny basic package except for one package that did not have the two sports channels that people absolutely wanted.
The long story short is that à la carte is coming but I personally don't think it's going to fix anything, and will probably just cause more issues.
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Live sports is the big anchor that most of us can't let go of. I lived in Calgary for 12 years and I became a hockey fan fast. Unfortunately for the Flames this was when Gretsky was earning that statue in Edmonton...
I would go for a basic, basic package plus sports but like you I doubt that's gonna happen or if it did it would be as costly as the full boat packages are now.
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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