|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
I made a single midi strumming guitar track out of 4 separate BIAB styles. It sounds great with SampleTank3. Imported the the midi file to Reaper. I hear clicking or snapping sounds in a few places. I think I hear the annoyances at the beginning of where I changed styles. In Reaper Piano Roll I see vertical lines in a few places, maybe where the style changes are. Has anyone run into this kind of thing? Any solution?
Last edited by Tobias; 10/29/16 09:20 AM.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646 |
Tobias, This might help. Reading between the lines, it sounds like you don't have Reaper set-up to reflect BIAB's bar numbers. When bar numbers align between the two applications, it's easy to isolate this kind of thing. For example, say you hear the sound in bar 36 in Reaper. Have a look at the song file in BIAB and see what's happening at bar 36 The below pdf, which I recently prepared for a friend, explains how to get bar numbers aligning. It's not all that hard. Setting up Reaper so bars align with BIAB (link to pdf)Regards, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
I'm already set up that way in reaper and I don't hear clicks in 2 BIAB generated midi strings tracks (with no style changes) I imported to reaper. They both lined up instantly on import. The basis of this song started with a BIAB song file with 5 instruments. I then used the same BIAB song file to create the strings tracks by selecting a style and making slight changes to the chords; holds in different places is about it. My Strings MIDIs imported perfectly, no clicking. I then started over with the original BIAB song file. Made style changes and a few chord behavior changes for acoustic guitar strumming. BTW, the new style picker was fantastic at this task. I have around 12 style changes but only 4 different styles.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646 |
How do you import the audio into Reaper? Is it drag and drop or do you save it and then load it into Reaper as an independent step?
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
The same way I brought the BIAB generated .wav files. I saved the midi file in a directory then drag it to Reapers TCP and let go. The other midi tracks with no style changes were done the same way with no issues. It does not appear to or sound like it has alignment issues.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646 |
Hi Tobias,
Thanks for the update. What does TCP stand for? Even though I've been using Reaper for a number of years, I haven't yet come across that term so I'm not quite sure how to interpret what you wrote.
What I'd be doing is to solo each track in the mix and then listen within the vicinity of the click. That would narrow down which track(s) are responsible. Once the track or tracks are identified, problem solving can then begin.
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
Track Control Panel. A few of the Kenny Gioia tutorials call it TCP. I drop them in a blank area just below the Volume Slider in the track control panel.
I soloed the tracks and tried other things to narrow down the issue prior to starting this thread.
I think it might be a "tics per beat" difference between BIAB and Reaper. I'm trying some things with that now.
Last edited by Tobias; 10/29/16 07:42 PM.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
I think I got it fixed. Although it was not a mis-aligned bars issue as all the strums and chord changes were happening in the right spots and in time. Your tutorial did gave me some clues in the right direction. I have BIAB set to 240 tics per 1/4 beat and Reaper was set to 960. I simply set Reaper to 240 tics per beat, deleted the track, inserted a new black track and drag/dropped the same midi file from my directory to the TCP again.
No more clicking sounds. At least for now. I'll have to check it thoroughly after I wake up.
Thanks for your help.
Last edited by Tobias; 10/29/16 08:51 PM.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,646 |
Tobias That's excellent. Thanks for passing on the solution, too. It would never have occurred to me that ticks per beat could have done this. If you have a fairly recent version of BIAB, it's possible to set the ticks per beat to 960, too. Simply enter into preferences and follow the 1, 2, 3 on the below image.  This might be useful to try. Regards, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
240 X 4 = 960. I wouldn't think there'd be an issue with that. However, the Reaper preference setting is this:
"Ticks per quarter note for new MIDI items: [240] (default: 960)"
Since I imported it as a pre-made midi file perhaps Reaper added resolution to the file and then hiccupped on the interpretation. As in; maybe some midi notes were partially overlapping some of the added ticks that did not exist in the original file. And, Reaper hesitated when it was then forced to choose a nearby tick for some notes. Maybe this happened on slight note overlaps since this is a down-up-down-up strumming acoustic guitar midi file where some notes are sounding and then sound again where there is no gap or where there is slight overlap.
This may explain why it did not occur on my 2 string midis which also came from BIAB. The strings are mostly long notes/chord that hold for entire measures.
Also makes me wonder if there might be issues if I ever use pre-made third party midi files of unknown resolution.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
What would be a reason to go with really high tick resolution on a MIDI file? Seams it was, for unknown reason, important for Reapers default to be 960.
Last edited by Tobias; 10/31/16 11:16 AM.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,850
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,850 |
What would be a reason to go with really high tick resolution on a MIDI file? For a MIDI file, 960 tick resolution generally isn't necessary, but it will give you better resolution of glissandos or very fast notes (64th or 128th notes) Also, if you use audio or render MIDI to audio, you will get more head room for slicing and dicing the audio. As far as MIDI is concerned, I believe the standard BIAB resolution of 120 is too low, because once you divide a note to 64th notes, the program has to decide whether to use 7 ticks or 8 ticks, since it splits at 7.5. Likewise, if you go to 128th notes (maybe a harp glissando), then at 240 ticks, it would also have to decide whether to split the 7.5 at 7 or 8. Resolution - Ticks to represent the noteResolution - 960 - 240 - 120 1/4 Note - 960 - 240 - 120 1/8 Note - 480 - 120 - 060 1/16 Note - 240 - 060 - 030 1/32 Note - 120 - 030 - 015 1/64 Note - 060 - 015 - 007.5 1/128 Note - 030 - 007.5 - 003.75 (I apologize that the table doesn't line up - the forum collapses multiple spaces into a single space). That's why I believe the default 120 resolution that BIAB uses is too low. At least RealBand supports the higher resolutions.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,654
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,654 |
How fine the resolution resolves is related to the Tempo. 120 Resolutions is finer (timewise) at Tempo 132 than at Tempo 96 .. so there can be a bunch to consider. I always prefer 960 minimum and usually 3840. It helps a TON with audio edits in RB.
As for the Reaper issue; I'm guessing when you brought in 240 Resolution MIDI, and the new Resolution is 960, if the on/off (duration) of each Event didn't change, you could have ended up with a bunch of chopped up MIDI .. which may cause some synths to behave differently than others.
Or maybe indeed you did confuse Reaper's MIDI engine .. but I'd think that would be less likely of an issue than the synth actually making the sound.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,511
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,511 |
BiaB's default of 120ppq IMHO is too small.
I think 240ppq should be the minimum and 480 adequate for most applications. 960 works even better than that, but is an overkill for most things. Still it's good to have.
If I were to import something into BiaB, I'd probably convert it to 120ppq first. It seems to me that would head any trouble off.
Depending on the instrument, I also filter out any non-necessary MIDI data. For example, if I use my wind synth to make a guitar part, I'll filter out breath data (continuous controller #2) before I import it into BiaB. Why give BiaB something that is not appropriate to a guitar part. Pitch bend for a piano would be another example.
Of course, there may be a reason why you want pitch bend on a piano, or some other non-native effect to an instrument, and they would be the exceptions to that rule.
Insights and incites by Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
Holiday Weekend Hours
It's Victoria Day Long Weekend in Canada. Our Customer Service hours are:
Saturday, May 16: Closed
Sunday, May 17: Closed
Monday, May 18: 8:00am - 4:00pm
Regular hours resume Tuesday, May 19th!
Today's the Last Day of the Band-in-a-Box 2026® for Mac Special!
Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!
Don't wait - order today!
Check out all the new features in the redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!
Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,503
Posts805,780
Members40,138
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean