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I've bought every upgrade since before time. I love the program but...
I just can't see any good reason to spend my annual $150-200 on this upgrade.
Very few new features, 32 bit, new content? meh, Anything new in RB
I hope someone can talk me into changing my mind, please
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speaking only for myself... if they never changed the program again, I'd still keep upgrading to get the new styles and RT And I seem to recall reading somewhere that there are twice as many RT included in this release than has been the case in the past.. let me see if I can find that just to make sure.... (looklooklooklook....) OK, here's a quote from the WHAT'S NEW page: We’ve added
202 new RealTracks, DOUBLE the 101 that we’ve usually released in the past! There's your reason. And if you upgrade every year, seems like you should be able to sneak under the fence for a lot less than $200!
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Win 10, 64 bit, love my Lenovo T420, BIAB 2019 (613), RB 2019 (2)
Short term memory is getting shorter.
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I notice that in all the flowery prose about how great the new program is, MIDI is only mentioned in passing in the very last sentence.
Basically this is all about new Realtracks and the various hacks to the base program needed to make them sound decent. I am wondering really how much one's life is improved by adding 200 Realtracks when you already have 2000 of them.
This gets a giant yawn from me, and I think I have only passed on one or two annual upgrades the past 15 years. I don't need BIAB to evolve from being 20% as good as a proper DAW to being 25% as good. I already have a 100% good DAW. I just need BIAB to work more seamlessly with my DAW.
I guess I have an extra $200 I wasn't counting on having now. There are plenty of DAW-friendly tools I can spend that on.
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Pumps2. >>> I notice that in all the flowery prose about how great the new program is, MIDI is only mentioned in passing in the very last sentence I don't accept these comments. There are 34 new MIDI SuperTracks available with this version. The total number of MIDI SuperTracks available is 202. That represents over 240 hours of recorded MIDI, played by world class artists - exactly what people who love MIDI have been asking us to do, and we've done it. >>> I notice that in all the flowery prose about how great the new program is, MIDI is only mentioned in passing in the very last sentence. I also do not accept this. Here is the VERY FIRST SENTENCE- The HEADLINE (not the "very last sentence"). I count 2 mentions of MIDI, and a new MIDI synthesizer (sforzando), and improved MIDI notation with articulations. Introducing Band-in-a-Box® 2017 and an amazing collection of new content including 202 RealTracks, 34 MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, 12-Key RealTracks, Hi-Q Guitar Notation, Re-Discovered RealTracks/ MIDI SuperTracks styles, a new synthesizer (sforzando), over 120 new RealStyles, and more! The reason I am calling this to your attention pumps2, is that you said this Pumps2: "And for the same reason, I have very little use for the PGMusic realtracks. Give me great MIDI lines and I can run that through the best VST instruments out there." http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=39194&Number=377304#Post377304So we've given you 202 MIDI SuperTracks with 240 hours of amazing MIDI, recorded by the best-of-the-best musicians. So we're expecting you to do what you said that you'd do, namely "Give me great MIDI lines and I can run that through the best VST instruments out there."... not "This gets a giant yawn from me,"!
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Respectfully, I disagree completely with Pumps.
I can't have enough Real Tracks. To me, the Real Tracks alone are worth the upgrade. In fact, I would upgrade even if the ONLY new thing were real tracks.
And, I highly appreciate midi super tracks.
As far as working seemlessly with my DAW, that's really not a main concern of mine, at all. I'm perfectly happy with exporting wav files from BIAB to my DAW. I really don't care.
Everyone is different I guess.
Thanks PG, keep up the great work.
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I WILL upgrade! And, like Jon Thomas, I would upgrade even if the only updates were new RealTracks! The updates to the main software are appreciated but, by themselves, would not cause me to upgrade (at least until a complete GUI overhaul and 64-bit implementation appears.) But, where else can I get a bunch of brand new RealTracks ready to mix right into my songs? And for a discounted upgrade price? No-brainer!!!
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You are right again ! and as you says just for the double extra RTs this year, and the Classic or New Theme/Skin switch in BB great move for old n new users, and ReWire soon, how can you say no.
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About working seamlessly with a DAW.
Peter just posted (as in today) in another thread that he is planning to implement full ReWire support early next year. Pipeline has been all over this and posted some animated gif's showing a ReWire VST which is not full ReWire but it does work. The VST works with Real Band but only partially with Biab right now. Full ReWire means that Biab would be the master to a DAW slave and you DAW power guru's know what that means. A lot of good stuff is what that means. This is very exciting and is something that has been in the Wishlist for like, forever.
The point is things are suddenly moving quickly in PG land (remember the VST tempo sync issue?) so old assumptions are falling fast.
I can't spend your money for you Pumps2 but imho now isn't the time to bail.
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I know nothing about VST’s, Rewire, or any of that fancy stuff. No interest. But, like others, I’ll upgrade for new, fresh, realistic styles. I know how to arrange BIAB songs and play out live. That’s my main focus and purpose for using BIAB. Been with the program since its infant days.
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>>> I notice that in all the flowery prose about how great the new program is, MIDI is only mentioned in passing in the very last sentence.
I also do not accept this.
The page I was looking at had MIDI only once ant it was at the end of the page. I thought I was looking at http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.htm, but that is not the same information I saw before, so either that page changed or I am confused about where I was. In any event I am delighted to hear that there are new superMIDI tracks, and that certainly changes my desire to buy this upgrade. Thank you for correcting the record. I see new SuperMIDI tracks described here: http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.bonuspaks_2017.htmDoes that mean there is no new MIDI content in the 2017 release unless you buy the Bonus Pak?
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Perhaps you meant "new" super MIDI tracks. True.
When BIAB 2017 was first released today, the BIAB for Windows page was updated, but several others including the site's home page were not updated right away and had last year's info. You weren't seeing things.
It looks up to date now.
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Perhaps you meant "new" super MIDI tracks. True.
When BIAB 2017 was first released today, the BIAB for Windows page was updated, but several others including the site's home page were not updated right away and had last year's info. You weren't seeing things.
It looks up to date now. Yes, that was a typo. I corrected it before I saw your post. Thanks for the clarification about the web content timing. I'm not thrilled about having to pay an extra $49 above and beyond the normal upgrade to get this MIDI content, but it looks like a good set of stuff. I will most likely do this upgrade.
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Sorry. I see I was typing while you fixed it.
I think there is a great deal to like in this new version besides the RealTracks. Hope you are happy with it.
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Yes, there are some sensational new features in this version, and you'd be forgiven because it may be easy to overlook them by perhaps taking an initial cursory glance.
Nevertheless, the new features, the new modern interface and ability to use the classic interface, the new real tracks and more, makes this one of the best upgrades to date.
For me, I'm definitely running with 2017.
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regarding a strong preference for MIDI over the audio real tracks:
I get that the ability to rearrange notes in MIDI makes it more useful than audio in a traditional sense... but it's worth noting that distinction has been blurred for quite some time, and now with Elastique 3 it is blurred even more.
In Real Band, the ability to expand the horizontal resolution of a track makes it easy to find and isolate single notes... which can then be individually pitch-shifted and/or time stretched. For small tweaks my experience with this technique has been positive.
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Mario D suggested a MIDI only upgrade in another thread. Peter Gannon replied that is a good idea and will make sure a MIDI only upgrade is available.
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Peter Gannon replied that is a good idea and will make sure a MIDI only upgrade is available. I'm not sure I understand. There is no MIDI-only upgrade, is there? You have to buy the regular upgrade PLUS the extra $49 pak, correct? It becomes a moot point for me because I am doing that upgrade right now anyway. I do applaud the fact that PGmusic has done some work on MIDI styles this time out. I'm not saying that everybody should work exclusively in MIDI. I do use the Realstyles for quick things -- scratch tracks and such. But MIDI has a lot of advantages when one views BIAB as part of a toolkit that needs to be at least somewhat integrated.
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Peter Gannon replied that is a good idea and will make sure a MIDI only upgrade is available. I'm not sure I understand. There is no MIDI-only upgrade, is there? You have to buy the regular upgrade PLUS the extra $49 pak, correct? It becomes a moot point for me because I am doing that upgrade right now anyway. I do applaud the fact that PGmusic has done some work on MIDI styles this time out. I'm not saying that everybody should work exclusively in MIDI. I do use the Realstyles for quick things -- scratch tracks and such. But MIDI has a lot of advantages when one views BIAB as part of a toolkit that needs to be at least somewhat integrated. As I write this post there is no MIDI only upgrade path however Peter Gannon indicated in ++ THIS ++ post that he is going to ask marketing to make a MIDI only upgrade package.
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New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
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-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
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- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
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New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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