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Hi everyone,
I'm planning to buy a Rode NT1 and a Yamaha MG10 mixer for voice over recording, but I'm not sure how to set it up properly in order to use it with my pc.
I'm currently using an Asus Xonar Essence STX with a pair of beyerdynamic DT 990 PRO plugged into the headphone out, what I was wondering was whether the two RCA ports on the Xonar would suffice for recording the mic + mixer effects, while keeping the headphones directly plugged into the sound card, or if I need 2 more RCA that go back into the mixer from the pc and thus some kind of audio interface (though for that price I think I'd be better off buying a mg10xu).
I'm open to suggestions, so feel free to propose a better configuration for around the same budget, if you have one in mind.
Tl;dr: Can I connect that mixer to the sound card? If yes, how?
P.s: sorry if this isn't the right category.
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The Yamaha Mixer has a USB but it's only a Stereo Bus so all the 10 inputs will go into 1 USB Stereo. You can record straight to the DAW with Max 192 kHz, Bit Depth: 24-bit but if you want to record more mics/instruments to separate tracks you will be better with a 10 in 10 out to USB. If you are only doing voice over with one Rode NT1 mic you only really need a good quality 2 channel ASIO Audio device with XLR/Combo inputs, 48+ for your mic and with a headphone socket. Check http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm
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The MG10 is not USB. The MG10XU is USB. If you use the MG10XU you really would not need the Xonar Essence STX for this particular purpose. You can connect your mic and your speakers/headphone directly to the MG10XU. The MG10XU "should" show up in your soundcard properties as an audio interface. You will probably want to keep the soundcard properties in a quicklaunch in your task tray so you can make whatever adjustment there required to prevent the output from recording back to the input and making a horrible screech or compounding volume escalation. This is normal to switch it back and forth in the soundcard properties.
Option; Use the MG10 (not usb) only for it's phantom power and preamp; Connect your speakers and headphones to the Xonar Essence STX for playback and monitoring. Plug in your NT1 to the MG10 to be used for phantom power, compressor, EQ, preamp only. Plug in the MG10 output to the input on the Xonar Essence STX. You can choose any output you have an adaptor for. Even the MG10 headphone output. That would keep it very simple and you should not have any internal loop issue this way.
There are a few other options but I'm out of time.
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A peak at the MG10 manual and I don't see off hand how to prevent a playback/record loop if you connect the input and output to any soundcard since it does not have a way to separate the channel routing of any channel. I think you would have to keep your speakers connected to the soundcard line out jack. Which means you control volume via soundcard properties or your powered speaker. Or, if it's connected to a home stereo you can use it's dials or remote after you make nominal settings in the soundcard properties.
For the part 5 years or so I have been using a MG124CX (not usb) as my interface either directly to my built in line in and line out jacks or along with a stand alone USB audio interface. However, it has Group Sends, Stereo, Sends, FX Sends, Headphone Send, Pre Fader Listening routing and so on. These features allow me to press a few buttons to switch the soundcard or interface input/output back and forth at the press of a button or two and prevent looping and feedback. I used to use a little Behringer 10 or 8 something or other that allowed me to do something similar. But, I don't see these features on the MG10.
Maybe someone using that particular mixer knows otherwise.
Okay, now I'm really out of time.
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Thank you very much for your time. So if I understand what you're saying, by only plugging the microphone into the mg10, while keeping the headphones and speakers connected to the soundcard, everything (including the mixer effects) should work just fine? I would only run into problems if I tried to also use my speakers and/or headphones on the mg10?
And what if I tried to connect a guitar or a keyboard?
Thanks in advance
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Why do you "need" a mixer?
If you have good DAW software, and a nice interface.... heck you don't need a mixer to do voice over work.
Set up the interface, plug a good condenser mic (the Rode NT1 is a fine mic) into the interface and you're ready to start working. It's that simple and easy.
Control your volume in the DAW as well as compression and EQ and any other fx you might need.
My setup is exactly like I described. Both my guitar and the mic.... sometimes one and the same, go straight to the interface and straight to the software. There is no mixing board in my studio. If I had to record multiple players live, yeah, a mixer would be needed. But for one or two inputs, the interface can do that just as good if not better.
I actually started out wanting to use a mixer I had in my gear locker. I couldn't get a clean sound. It was distorted no matter how I set the controls. SO I unplugged the mixer, and went straight into the interface. Crystal clear. The mixer went on E-bay later that day and ended up going to a new home a few days later. Never looked back or regretted going direct. In fact, every song on my website is recorded in this manner.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Well, I also intended to plug my keyboard and guitar into it, didn't mention that before. Plus I need the live compression and EQ.
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Well, I also intended to plug my keyboard and guitar into it, didn't mention that before. Plus I need the live compression and EQ. I would forget the mixer and get a good audio interface. The mixer only has stereo outputs while an audio interface can have many. The biggest difference is that with an audio interface each instrument has it's own track. So if you make a mistake say on the keyboard you can go into that track, punch in and out, then re-record just that section. Also you can isolate each track for different effects. Some audio interfaces have compression and EQ built in so you can use them if you wish. I don't record like that as I use the effects in my DAW. That way if I don't like the effect that I used I can just delete it, change its settings or replace it. You can't do that if the effect is recorded into the audio by the mixer. There are many different interfaces to choose from. I use a Roland. Focusrite is a popular one. Just be sure to pick one with enough inputs. You will need at least a 4 input one. Make sure what you get has a good mic preamp, most do, a high Z input for your guitar and a MIDI input and output for your keyboard. If you are going to use the sounds from your keyboard you will also need 2 line inputs. But think about how many instruments will you be recording simultaneously. If just one or two at a time then a two audio/line/guitar input with MIDI in and out would work. You will find an audio interface will offer you more that a mixer.
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Well, I also intended to plug my keyboard and guitar into it, didn't mention that before. Plus I need the live compression and EQ. I would forget the mixer and get a good audio interface. The mixer only has stereo outputs while an audio interface can have many. The biggest difference is that with an audio interface each instrument has it's own track. So if you make a mistake say on the keyboard you can go into that track, punch in and out, then re-record just that section. Also you can isolate each track for different effects. Some audio interfaces have compression and EQ built in so you can use them if you wish. I don't record like that as I use the effects in my DAW. That way if I don't like the effect that I used I can just delete it, change its settings or replace it. You can't do that if the effect is recorded into the audio by the mixer. There are many different interfaces to choose from. I use a Roland. Focusrite is a popular one. Just be sure to pick one with enough inputs. You will need at least a 4 input one. Make sure what you get has a good mic preamp, most do, a high Z input for your guitar and a MIDI input and output for your keyboard. If you are going to use the sounds from your keyboard you will also need 2 line inputs. But think about how many instruments will you be recording simultaneously. If just one or two at a time then a two audio/line/guitar input with MIDI in and out would work. You will find an audio interface will offer you more that a mixer. Thanks, guess I'll look into audio interfaces some more, you said there are some with EQ and comp built in, do you mind naming a few?
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You can use a mixer to record multiple tracks to your DAW, but as said originally you would need to have multiple channels not just stereo. The Behringer UFX1204 can record 12 channels @ 24bit to a USB 3.0 Memory stick or 12 separate streams to a DAW, you can record them clean or with mixer FX. There are lots or others also but not to USB stick. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UFX1204or 16 channels https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UFX1604
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I do know that the Roland Octa-Capture and the Quad-Capture has compression and a gate built in. I use the Octa-Capture. Neither have an EQ built in. I know very little about other interfaces so others will have to let you know what they use.
Note-I may have misspoken about EQ being in interfaces. But as EQ is not a search ahead effect you can set your EQ in the DAW that you are using. There are a number of VST EQs available, some are free.
Good luck.
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If you go with an interface be sure it has phantom power for your condenser mics.
Your Xonar Essence STX, although a very nice soundcard, is probably not ideal for audio recording/mixing. Not that it won't work but you will be switching out adaptors and cables all the time and I think you'll need phantom power.
If the STX is connected to your home stereo via Toslink and you have a remote control for the stereo I would certainly leave it in there and use for playback, listening, monitoring, etc... Or, if you wanted to just keep it as your audio interface then adding/connecting a small mixer with separate group and main busses would be fine in my opinion. But, like I said, you'll need to be able to record one or two channels to your computer while the playback from your computer is not getting recorded.
My MG124CX mixer is used all the time/permanent for connecting all sorts of playback devices, instruments, switching back and forth between monitor set ups. I have 3 different monitor set ups and sometimes a forth which is JBL powered speakers so I can get an idea what I might sound like in my live performance set up. All that of course is not necessary just that I have it all and excess cables so why not. I have the output of my interface going into the MG. The MG does not connect to the input of my interface. Anything I record gets plugged in to the interface for a clean signal path.
I'm pretty sure the MG10XU will act as an USB interface and mixer for you and give you the routing options needed.
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Thank you, everyone, for your very in depth and exhaustive answers, I'll go for the MG10XU because the other options seem a bit out of my reach in terms of budget.
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....(though for that price I think I'd be better off buying a mg10xu)...
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The Behringer UFX1204 can record 12 channels @ 24bit to a USB 3.0 Memory stick or 12 separate streams to a DAW. Pipeline, are you sure about this? Not to hijack this thread but this is something I've been looking for at this pricepoint for some time and none I've seen record multitrack, only stereo and I've checked them all out including the new Presonus one for $399. Here's what the blurb says: For live use, the UFX1204 is an easy way to mix and record the show at the same time with the built-in 16-track recorder. Simply plug in a USB thumb drive and hit the record button.Compare that wording to this wording for the Behringer X Air XR18: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/XR18...giving you an effortless, immaculate multitrack capture of the show to take back to your studio for post production.Note the word multitrack. If a mixer's description doesn't have that word in it, it's recording a stereo mix only. There's only a few that do this and of those the X18 is the cheapest one I've seen so far. If you know of one in the $3-400 range I've love to see it. Bob
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It does say this -
"Built-in 24-bit/96kHz, 16-channel USB/Audio Interface to connect directly to your computer"
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The UFX1604 is actually both. 16 channel USB to computer DAW and a separate USB port for 16 channel direct to hard disk. Listen to Behringer's Phil Gates explain - Here - But with the $450 price of the Behringer X Air X18 that is a 12-Bus Desktop Digital Mixer for iPad/Android Tablet with 16 Gain-programmable Midas Preamps, Integrated Wi-Fi Module, Multi-Channel USB Audio Interface, and Tablet Tray it's kind of a no brainer which way to go. Even the Behringer XR18 at the same $600 price as the UFX1604 unit is a much better deal. The X air series utilize and are based on the IOS of the X32 mixers and are very stout live and studio mixers. The professional quality effects alone are worth the difference and the routing options nullify all of the USB recording options of this hybrid mixer as well as the other brands similar hybrids in my opinion. Charlie
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I would say the UFX1204 would use the same chip as the UFX1604 but in the UFX1204 Channels 13/14 are if you want to record your AUX Channels, and 15/16 are for recording your Main LR Mix. If you want 16 separate inputs use the UFX1604. You can get an 8ch preamp with XLR/Combo's for the other 8 lines if you like. EDIT: Just get a fast write USB 3.0 Memory Stick like ScanDisk, this will let you record 16 @ 24/48. Yes, stereo USB out mixers are useless, that's what PG use to record their drums, so you are stuck with a stereo mix that can't be edited or drop in like Mario mentioned  I think I will get another off eBay but get it sent to: PG Music Inc. 29 Cadillac Avenue Victoria BC V8Z 1T3 Canada http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=385283#Post385283 
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Good info Charlie.
I see the wording across the top of that vid uses the word "multichannel" which is not in the online text.
As for the difference between the X18 and this 1604 you don't need to buy a tablet, you have physical controls which I like but I agree as far as software is concerned the X18 is a better deal. I'm looking at something to replace my dead Akai DPS16 for live remote recording.
If I already had an iPad, fine but I don't so that's another $3-500 depending.
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I got the UFX1604 for live gigs as well as it was a pain with laptops. I actually just bought another UXF1604 so now I could do up to 32ch to USB at once.
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