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I am trying to modify the notes a real track lap steel is playing (eliminating some, adding others) is this something that can be accomplished? I was able to change notes around in the piano roll, however it didn't seem to reflect back into the real track when played. Thanks, Bill.

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Welcome to the forum!

No, unfortunately, not in BIAB. You are trying to edit the representative notation that was created after the audio RealTrack performance, or at the same time by a separate process. Not all RealTracks have this notation. The tracks that do have it provide the notation more for educational purposes.

Technically it has been possible to do this on an audio file for a few years now by using a different program called Melodyne Editor. This is an expensive program that requires some operator skill. You can, for example, shift a major third note a half-step flat to make a minor chord. If you shift anything in audio too far, you will hear artifacts (noise in the sound).


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I use Matt's approach quite a bit to tweak the notes of rendered real tracks with Melodyne Editor. Yes, it is expensive, and there is a learning curve. But it does the small things with ease, and with time and practice, you can do some pretty amazing things if you need to. But it is not a tool that you start your BiaB experience with (I see this is your first post) as there are many more things to learn about unlocking the BiaB performance you are looking for within the tools that PGMusic gives you. Welcome to the forum, and the tutorial videos are really great, watch them all! Ron


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You can open it in Realband set it to snap, highligt the beats or bars and choose Generate > MultiRiff.
You can use a virtual instrument on the notation track if you don't mind some editing.

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Thanks, I have the elements version of Melodyne. I was trying to get a real track to play the melody of the song.

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While possible to do with a lot of manual intervention (cutting/pasting/chopping/rearranging the WAV file), you really can't get RealTracks to play your melody very efficiently or effectively.

They were never designed for that. RealTracks do not follow notes; the notes you see are merely following the RealTrack (so you can see what was played, not for the RealTrack to play it).


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"Is it possible to edit the notes of a real track?"
You can use RiffStation's Riff Builder by dragging a RealTrack into it.
https://pro.riffstation.com/features_page/
https://riffstation.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/208243765-What-is-Riff-Builder-and-how-do-I-use-it-

If most tracks have been mapped to RealChart notation it should be able to create up the note based generation rather than just chord based generation.
I think it needs something like MultiRiffs but MultiNotes where it generates up some different variations from the midi /notes you enter to RealTrack notes.
Just like you can use a short note in a sampler by looping the end of the note to sustain and decay it.
Especially now there are 12-Key RealTracks being released, that's an enormous amount of variations.

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Be aware, Melodyne Elements version is not able to edit the internals of an audio file in the same way that I described for Melodyne Editor version.


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Another free one I found for Win/Mac is LoopJam https://loopjam.wordpress.com/
just load a "stereo" 4 or 8 bar section of realtrack and rearrange it just how you like by selecting a Scene number and edit it by moving the white notes up or down, then export to wav.
In BB or RB you can highlight the bars then drag to DROP WAV
you will have to convert any mono files to stereo.
*It also needs lower case .wav

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I don't get it.
If Biab can internally make the notes of RealTracks match the set key and to follow the chords being played, so why then it cannot offer changing the notes by changing the notes in the notation?

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This is a very elderly thread. Checkout playable RealTracks.

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I don't get it.
If Biab can internally make the notes of RealTracks match the set key and to follow the chords being played, so why then it cannot offer changing the notes by changing the notes in the notation?


The answer was in the second post of this thread, by Matt. However, this is an old thread, version 2022 has just introduced playable realtracks. I haven't tried this feature yet, but maybe you can find it interesting. Please, take a look here:
https://youtu.be/z3r85Sj2wfA


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Yes Playable Realtracks could do the trick, I will experiment with it to figure out its limations if there are any.

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The only limitation I've seen is you're desired RT may not be set up as a PRT yet. Right now there are 50 of them I think but more are coming.

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