is it somehow possible to export Real Tracks as Midi file? I would love to use the Bass-Pattern of an arrangement ... so my plan was to export it as Midi, Import it into Logic... so I could change the pattern a bit... is this possible? I cannot find the option, was trying to get it out of videos and tutorials but... no..
Most of the RealTracks have what is called RealCharts, which are a notated representation of the RealTrack. It won't be exact, and many of the RealCharts were transcribed after the fact. But you can save RealCharts when you export BIAB to MIDI (it's a checkbox, at least in the Windows version, I presume also in the Mac version).
From there, you load it into a DAW and change any notes you want; however, if you are expecting to then play those changes using the RealTrack, that isn't going to work, because RealTracks don't respond to any MIDI changes. They are pre-recorded phrases and don't follow MIDI or notation.
The RealChart is there to help you visualize what is going on. Or you can use it as a basis for creating a MIDI track, perhaps using a high quality VSTi instrument, but the RealTrack isn't going to play those changes.
Hope that made sense.
John
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In the RealTrack Preferences, there is a check box to export RealCharts with Midi file, then Save As Midi. You can also drag the track to the DROP MID.
@JFord: Thank you for your answer. yeah, the plan was to use the Arrangements of BIAB, export them as Midi, edit them and use my own Audio Units. Another advantage would be to get the chance to change the tempo during the song ( a "real" musician picks up the tempo during the chorus)... this far I only managed to Midi the Drum Track... the Bass would be the most important for me ...
@pipeline: Thank you as well, I tried your proposal, unfortunately it did not work out . It keeps creating real tracks, no matter what I do
When you look at the BIAB main screen (after you've loaded the style you want), look to see if there is a Green underline for the RealTracks tracks. That indicates that there is a corresponding RealChart. If there is no green line (not all RealTracks have it), then there is not corresponding RealChart. As Pipeline and I indicated, you have to enable that in the MIDI export settings, however.
And again, for many of the instruments, the MIDI RealChart is only an approximation of what was actually played, and being MIDI, will not sound exactly like the RealTrack.
John
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is it somehow possible to export Real Tracks as Midi file?
Actually no because those Mac Band in a Box Real Tracks are audio files ( take a look in that folder ) and there is no known application that i know about these days that can convert audio to midi.
More than +25 years ago there was a programme i had ( Studio Vision from Opcode Systems, Inc. founded in 1985 ) that tried but was not successful. That programme made a guess but there was far too much editing involved to make it worth wasting time trying the conversion especially when working with chords.
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OK, thank´s a lot guys. Well, BIAB itself is a great tool and can do magic. And it´s good to use. On the other hand, I always love it to "play around" a bit (with tempo and so on, as I mentioned, a "real musician" would always pick up the tempo in the Chorus because that´s what musicians would do....) ... yesterday I was playing around with the real track Audio files and Logic´s own "Flex pitch" ... unfortunately the Quality got a bit down while trying.
For the Drum´s I always use EZDrummer, I play the Keyboards myself. BIAB is a really good tool for the Bass, Guitar, the Lead and so on, most of all the Bass . The last thing I´m goin to try is to Import the Bass line into Melodyne .. generally it should be possible to edit the Bass line there a bit/save it as Midi.. but am not so sure about that.
Bitty that it´s still impossible to save audio´s as midi. I was thinking the Programm is "playing" the notes so it should know, what it is playing ... but... OK.
it´s called "popbal" - dreamy guitar pop ballad... don´t know a "number" or so... OK, only the piano is underlined and contains "real charts"... looks like I picked the only style with no Bass-Real-Chart ... my bad...
And to expound upon the image Pipeline posted, in the "Chart" column, "N" means there is notation associated with that RealTrack; "Gt" means there is both notation and guitar tablature associated with that RealTrack.
Quote:
To see which instruments have RealCharts, visit the Assign RealTracks to Tracks dialog and sort column 11, “Chart.” Instruments with an “N” or “Gt” in this column have RealCharts.
Instruments with “Gt” in the Chart column have RealCharts with accurate guitar tab and on-screen guitar fretboard display.
If the instrument is Acoustic Piano and there is an “N” in the Chart column, the instrument has a Jazz piano RealChart. RealTracks piano parts that are on the piano track will appear with the right and left hands split in notation.
The various other instruments with an “N” (Pedal Steel, Slide Guitar, Resophonic, Trumpet, Alto Sax, Tenor Sax) have RealCharts in standard notation.
At the top of the screen, if a track has RealTracks, but is NOT a RealCharts track, then the track name is green.
Real Instrument charts: If a track has a RealChart, the track name is green and underlined with a short line. RealGuitar charts: If a track has RealChart, and is a guitar track with accurate tab and on-screen guitar fretboard display, then it is green and underlined with a long line.
John
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I digging here a little. Just would like to thank all of you guys for the help and sharing your knowledge.
Well, in the end, after trying a lot of things I´ve decided to stick to the audio tracks and use Logic X "Flex Time" function to serv my purpose and use the "real chart/Midi" function only on the drums . In this way it´s more realistic, just as you mentioned
You can also change tempo in BIAB by using the Bar Settings feature (F5). Just adjust the bass/guitar tracks to match the chorus etc. in Logic. You could then compare the result to Logis's flex time.
Thanks this thread has provided valuable information for me as well. I tend to look specifically for midi instruments within BIAB if that's what I want to open in Logic. Usually I find something. I'd be extremely reluctant to start playing with flextime etc in Logic to shape Realtracks.
If using a custom midi file, remember you have to freeze the track before exporting to get around a glitch currently in the system. I started a thread about it down below in the Mac forum.
You can also change tempo in BIAB by using the Bar Settings feature (F5). Just adjust the bass/guitar tracks to match the chorus etc. in Logic. You could then compare the result to Logis's flex time.
Bar Settings? Hmm... I think i´ve missed that one... I´ll have to try this one tonight Thank you.
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. The last thing I´m goin to try is to Import the Bass line into Melodyne .. generally it should be possible to edit the Bass line there a bit/save it as Midi.. but am not so sure about that. 
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