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Dear BIAB Mates,
I was at the PGMusic web-site yesterday, and noticed that they are
pushing "Xtra Styles Paks." There are apparently 3 paks of real styles
which have been released separately from their annual upgrades. Two of
these paks were released following the release of BAIB2016, and one of
them was released following the release of BIAB2017.
Each of these three paks costs $49 which is a reasonable price if one
wants to buy the extra styles. However the thing that concerns me is
that when I purchased the "BIAB2017 Everything Pak" it didn't include
these extra styles which were released for BIAB2016. I realize the one
released for BIAB2017 was after-the-fact so I wouldn't expect it to be
included in the "everything pak" for BIAB2017, but I would expect it to
be included in the BIAB2018 "everything pak" which will be released soon.
So I hopped on the PGMusic "chat" and raised this issue with the support
person on the other end who admitted that the "everything pak" was
deceptively named. It doesn't include "everything" despite the name.
The FAQ at PGMusic includes the following question/answer:
30. What is the difference between the Band-in-a-Box and RealBand
EverythingPAK and the PG Music OmniPAK?
The EverythingPAK includes *all* of the currently available RealTracks,
RealDrums, *Style Sets*, all the regular Soloist Sets, the Andy LaVerne
Soloist Series, and Melodist Sets. It also includes the Video Tutorial
PAK, and the 'Songs and Lessons' PAK for Band-in-a-Box. [added the
emphasis around the words "all" and "Style Sets"]
I am very disheartened that PGMusic would stoop to such lows as to tell
us that we get "all the currently available . . . Style Sets" and then
essentially say "oops, only kidding, to get certain style sets you need
to pay a lot more money."
I just thought everybody should be aware that even though you may
purchase the "everything pak" you're not getting everything and they
even admit it's deceptively titled!
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Dear BIAB Mates,
...the support person on the other end who admitted that the "everything pak" was deceptively named. It doesn't include "everything" despite the name. Well I would suspect they were not implying there was something nefarious intended. Just acknowledging that "everything" may not have been the best term to use. So here is how I see it. The Xtra Styles are actually NOT new styles at all, but just a application of the prior styles which came in the "everything pak". These "Xtra Styles" are PG musicians applying their skills at mixing and matching the "existing" styles including all the realtracks. So there you have it. Even the word "Xtra" is not entirely correct usage. But I would not go so far as to use the word deceptive. Coming from Canada, maybe its because PGMusic is not native US speakers (said with a big smile). 
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But the description of these "xtra paks" says: (copied and pasted from the PGMusic web-site)
"Xtra Styles PAKs will add TONS of new RealStyles to your collection" -- they are *new* real styles, not reworking of older styles.
And (equally with a big smile) I'm sure that even in Canada "everything" actually means "everything."
Regarding the use of the word "deceptive" here's a quote from the PGMusic chat session I had this morning:
"The name EverythingPAK is understandably deceptive, as it isn't include literally everything."
That was from the technician at PGMusic.
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By the way, have you checked out what comes with NI "Komplete" and what does not?  Big sound suites like Komplete and like BIAB and like Toontracks cost a lot of money. Combine that with the fact that they continue to grow and therefore need more money if what they provide is of value. To us users we have to decide on exactly what the value is to us and how much we want to pay. Just sayin...
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"Xtra Styles PAKs will add TONS of new RealStyles to your collection" -- they are *new* real styles, not reworking of older styles. OK, on first pass that is a bit discept... - I mean confusing. But what they are implying, or should be implying, is there are no new sounds. Just a reworking of existing sounds. Ya this is all coming back to me now. We have had this discussion here in the past. Others have pointed this out and been very vocal. What can I say.
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I understand the need for a cash-flow to keep the company alive, and I'm all in favor of that, having upgraded every version along the way since the DOS days.
They could raise the price of the Everything Pak if they feel they need to, if they would only live up to what they're calling it and actually include those extra styles paks. Or change the label for what they now call the "everything pak." Label it "Almost Everything Pak" and be honest and upfront about the fact that it's not really complete.
What other companies do isn't germane to the issue -- just as when we were little children and did something bad and justified it to our parents by saying "But everybody was doing it!" and our parents pointed out that just because everybody is doing it doesn't change a bad thing into a good thing.
I realize I'm just spitting into the wind on this point, but I wanted to be sure that people who haven't been around for any previous discussions on this point understand that the "everything" pak doesn't really have everything included, even though PGMusic's own FAQ says it does.
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[snip]But what they are implying, or should be implying, is there are no new sounds. Just a reworking of existing sounds. They're very clear that these are not new sounds, but rather are new styles working with existing realtracks. That's stated very clearly. I wasn't confused about that, nor am I upset about that. Since we can't make our own real styles, we're at the mercy of whatever they release should we want a wider palette of styles to choose from. Don't get me wrong -- I will be buying these styles sets when the budget allows (assuming they're not included in the BIAB2018 Everything Pak) for several reasons: 1) because I really like some of the new styles and will find them useful and 2) I want to keep supporting PGMusic because I value their continued production of BIAB, just as I have supported them since I first found out about them. I realize that buying these new styles paks will be rewarding what I view as bad behavior, but I also know that they're not likely to change their behavior just from my complaints, so I can either not buy the styles and punish PGMusic by withholding my money while also punishing myself by not getting styles that may be very useful, or I can simply bite the bullet, buy the styles, and having had my little temper tantrum here, get back to more important life issues. 
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since we can't make our own real styles Of course you can. Every year that's even a user contest creating new styles, and many of the ones included in the Xtra Paks are. HTH,
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since we can't make our own real styles Of course you can. Every year that's even a user contest creating new styles, and many of the ones included in the Xtra Paks are. HTH, Well, when I open up the stylemaker the only choices I see for instruments are MIDI patches. So how does one go about creating a new real style -- one that uses realtracks instead of midi instruments? What am I doing wrong that I can't access the realtracks instruments?
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Coming from Canada, maybe its because PGMusic is not native US speakers (said with a big smile). The only five Canadian words that I know are Labatts, Molson Golden, hockey and eh
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Just when you have found peace I almost hate to bring this up. But, Since we can't make our own real styles, we're at the mercy of whatever they release should we want a wider palette of styles to choose from. I am of the opinion that we can make our own real styles. Real styles are not like midi styles which involve coding. Real Styles are nothing more than; set the key, set the tempo and select a grouping of real tracks for the instruments. BIAB tries to provide a product that can work with customers of any skill levels (that means no skill to advanced). So if you don't know that you should not have two bass players playing at the same time, or that drums should not swing when the piano is playing straight, then no problem, Real Styles are provided which give you a appropriate band playing in an appropriate manner. But if you want two bass players cause you have a jones for bass, and a swing groove against a straight backing fits your jazz mood, then you just need whatever real tracks you want to get your "real style". Now I know this is a controversial subject and I don't want to upset anyone, but BIAB is one complex instrument that can take a very long time to master. Others may have other opinions - which are always welcome here.
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since we can't make our own real styles Of course you can. Every year that's even a user contest creating new styles, and many of the ones included in the Xtra Paks are. HTH, Ya, what our man in Italy said...
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Well, when I open up the stylemaker the only choices I see for instruments are MIDI patches. So how does one go about creating a new real style -- one that uses realtracks instead of midi instruments? What am I doing wrong that I can't access the realtracks instruments? Now you are asking the right questions.
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dhbailey:
You COULD make any of the "Xtra Styles" yourself, if you've a mind to. You don't need the "Stylemaker" as you've found out. You just start with a "blank" style, or any existing style, and add the same RealTracks that PGMusic did in their "Xtra Style".
Mind you, you have to sort through the myriad of RT's , mix them accurately, get the beat right, the tempo right, the mix right etc. That's where the value is of buying them. They've gone through all that work, you just buy and use.
I do agree that "everything" in this context is misleading. I like your idea of the "almost everything pak".
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Just when you have found peace I almost hate to bring this up. But, Since we can't make our own real styles, we're at the mercy of whatever they release should we want a wider palette of styles to choose from. I am of the opinion that we can make our own real styles. Real styles are not like midi styles which involve coding. Real Styles are nothing more than; set the key, set the tempo and select a grouping of real tracks for the instruments. Creating a style is more than simply choosing different realtracks -- creating a style means providing the data like the stylemaker requires for midi styles. To create a style you have to tell the "players" what to play, how to voice the chords we want. And then we need to be able to save that as a separate style which will work as we want it to whenever we choose it. I still don't see how to do that and nobody has provided any instructions. If I start out with a blank style and then select realtracks for the different patches, I indeed get new sounds. However I can't save that as my own real style. And if I open up the StyleMaker, and save the current style under a new name, when I select that style it shows up with no instruments in the various tracks. So again I ask, how does a user create their own real style?
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Creating a style is more than simply choosing different realtracks -- creating a style means providing the data like the stylemaker requires for midi styles. To create a style you have to tell the "players" what to play, how to voice the chords we want. And then we need to be able to save that as a separate style which will work as we want it to whenever we choose it. I still don't see how to do that and nobody has provided any instructions. You really got this all wrong. First, real-styles are not like midi-styles. Real styles are a collection of the audio recording of multiple individual instruments. The only thing these recording need from you is the tempo and key and the chords. Chord voicings have already been recorded. Second, I don't make and save real-track styles, I make and save songs. So someone else will have to comment on how to "save" your new real-style. And finally, patience, there are a lot of professional question answers here, much better than I at addressing you questions. I am sure they will weigh-in, in due time.
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If I start out with a blank style and then select realtracks for the different patches, I indeed get new sounds. However I can't save that as my own real style. And if I open up the StyleMaker, and save the current style under a new name, when I select that style it shows up with no instruments in the various tracks. RealStyles are very different from MIDI styles and are processed by a completely different engine. You don't get to "tell" the RealTracks how to play like you do the MIDI tracks in a MIDI style. You have several options to create a new RealStyle based on existing RealTracks. As has been said, start with a blank style (or actually start with any style; doesn't really matter. Then substitute the RealTracks you want, and then select " Save Current Song (except muted instrument) as a Style" Or you can open StyleMaker and for a particular track, you can click on the Miscellaneous Style Settings, then click the More button, which will let you assign a RealTrack to that track. When you do that, however, you don't get all the settings that you do with MIDI - such as, play only under these circumstances, or push a certain number of ticks, or set weights on different patterns, etc. No, you just get that RealTrack that gets played as the RT engine determines. Maybe not the answer you want, but it's the way it works. And yes, the EverythingPak isn't everything. It does not include every product PGMusic sells. For example, in additional the the XTRA styles, you still have to purchase jbridge separately if you want to use 64-bit plugins, you also don't get the Coyote Forte softsynth, and you don't get all the libraries. I do agree that a better term should be used; just like I think the ProPak should be renamed, as that has caused much confusion over the years. You think you are getting the Professional version, but it's really just the basic program with a few styles thrown in to give you a flavor of what BIAB/RealBand can do. But also as has been pointed out, if you go to the Native Instruments site, their "Komplete" series isn't "complete"; in fact, there are two levels of "Komplete" and even the "Komplete Ultimate" (while it really has A LOT) doesn't have everything.
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With an anticipated new release being launched soon, maybe it's an ideal time for PG Music to consider new naming conventions for the product range?
As an example, somehow the name 'Band-in-a-Box Pro' does give the impression that it's something more than the basic 'Entry Level' into the product range.
Perhaps 'Band-in-a-Box Lite' or 'Lite-Pak' might actually be more fitting for this particular product?
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Something similar that has bothered me in the past...
I have paid additional $$ for extra paks of RealTracks then in the following year found those same RealTracks included in the upgrade and referred to as new RealTracks. I only discovered this because I was thrilled with some baritone guitar tracks one year and hoping for more the next year. Then I saw "new" baritone tracks in the following year's upgrade but they were the same ones I bought previously.
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Why are folks mentioning Komplete as if their deceptive marketing makes other deceptive marketing ok??? "Well, others do it" is NOT an acceptable excuse!
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It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!
The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.
The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos
With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.
Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.
Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!
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