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For those who remember to the beginning of this decade, around 2010-11 there was this advance in the RT's which gave us what they called Multistyles (look for examples in that folder within RT Demos folder) that included more than the standard A & B part markers (with different results for each). But instead of that then going forward to the next logical step of finally letting go of that vastly outdated "2-part Jazz" concept and carry on making the RT's that would follow have more than just A & B, this concept never went anywhere and just died out and faded away  My proposal is thus: All RT's need to be adjusted for a minimum of three part markers! The tech is already in place, so this is just the labour left to do. p.s. And yes, I fully realise the irony of saying "just" the labour left, when were already hundreds of RT's in, but that's PG's own fault for (yet again) not following through on a good concept from the get go.
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PGMusic provided a handful of multi-styles (but they are by two's, as it's based on linking styles together such that the second file becomes C and D, the third file becomes E and F, etc). MultiStyles have now been around since version 2008 for Wondows.
I could be wrong (PGMusic would have to answer), but I don't think the intent was for them to release the Multi-styles, but for us to figure out the multiple styles that worked together for us and create our own.
But to your point, I agree that it would be great if PGMusic actually released more Multi-Styles. They have gone through and created three sets of XTRA styles now (by mixing and matching existing RealTracks into new and creative "band sounds"). Why not extend it to create multistyles based on creative ways of mixing and matching RealTracks. And then going forward, why not record the artists playing different variations of a style so that it can be packaged as a multistyle provided by PGMusic.
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+1.
RealTracks, and RealDrums, are a huge success for PG Music. Any new feature that can increase or continue product development is worth continued support.
Now, look at it through PG Music's window. Did PG Music see links to numerous multi-style songs posted in the User Showcase? Did PG Music read many pro or con comments in the forum regarding the feature? Was there any forum discussion regarding how to use the feature or how the feature helped inspire a song or how it changed, for better or worse, workflow? Did PG Support receive many inquiries about the feature? What have we done to show PG Music the feature is worth the time, effort and cost to continue adding feature capability?
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Good points there, Mr. Fogle, we all have been overlooking a great potential there. Even though recently the number of "more than 2" types of requests have been popping up (with topic variations talking about "verses", "choruses", "bridges" etc, all basically relating to the same core concept), there may not have been enough of that 'noise' from us users at the time, and now we're missing the speeding train  There seems to have been a silent expectancy that PG would get there on their own initiative as a logical step from the Multistyle feature, or something. This just hasn't been the case - and for my money, that is a problem.
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....I don't think the intent was for them to release the Multi-styles, but for us to figure out the multiple styles that worked together for us and create our own. Which is kinda hard when the default is set to two Part Markers, and the pre-existing Multistyles all have fixed configurations, i.e. if the user tries to set a 3rd type of part marker on any of them, a fixed thing happens that the user cannot change or re-define. It's not the same as with the Xtra Styles at all 
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It's not difficult at all to create multi-styles. You just identify the multiple styles you want to work together and then using the multi-style feature you link them together. That gets you A, B, C, D, etc. Or maybe this is something that was implemented differently in the Mac. I use existing PGMusic-provided and my own created multi-styles all the time. And then just select A, B, C, D, etc where I want it.
Or am I missing your point here.
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Hi all,
I will be making some MultiStyles for the upcoming Xtra PAK. Let me know if you have any specific requests.
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Or am I missing your point here. I think you are, but that's partly because I didn't realise you had in my last reply, so I missed your point back!  Anyway, let me try this: I'm not talking about merely the ability to change from one style into another midways into a song, that is obviously quite easy via the Bar Settings. I'm talking about the need to abandon the outdated " one chorus that NOBODY BUT JAZZ PLAYERS CALLS A CHORUS, repeated with two types of intensity" rubbish structure that should be long dead and buried! And my approach to make this change easier to implement, is by (starting with) adding a C Part Marker - to ANY AND ALL STYLES! That way you have an A Part that would work as the Verse, B Part as the Chorus (yes, that's a proper b**** chorus, damnit!!) and then the C Part Marker for the Bridge (could even function as some sort of Intro, wit some imaginative uses). Hope that clears things up a bit better. p.s. btw, We still can't redo RT styles and save as custom made style on Mac p.s.p.s. And if you mention now the Conductor, I will scream! 
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Hi all,
I will be making some MultiStyles for the upcoming Xtra PAK. Let me know if you have any specific requests. Anything that sounds like it's still the same song with the same band playing the same instruments for a section that is clearly neither the pattern of the Verse nor the Chorus, and you got my order right there! 
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Hi all,
I will be making some MultiStyles for the upcoming Xtra PAK. Let me know if you have any specific requests. I think this would be great. I've tried finding compatible styles to make my own, but it's harder than it looks. I might think I have a good match but then the piano changes from acoustic to electric etc. My preferred multistyle would differ in intensity in each section. Even changing the drum pattern and kit can do a lot there, or adding a percussion instrument in a loop.
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I won't mention the Conductor, as that's not a feature I use.
So what I hear you saying is the ability to easily break your song into individual verse(s), chorus(es), bridge(s), etc, (parts/subtypes) with common instrumentation, but playing appropriately to each part with the instruments your band brought, so it doesn't sound like all of a sudden Led Zeppelin came in the middle of a Frank Sinatra song.
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Bingo! 
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+10000000 Would be great for progrock-..
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snip ... so it doesn't sound like all of a sudden Led Zeppelin came in the middle of a Frank Sinatra song. But isn't that what happened on all those album orientated rock stations in the seventies? 
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Hooked On Classics! 
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