Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#467307 04/15/18 03:19 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 880
I
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
I
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 880
Band in the Box does not recognize a m7(b13) as a chord. What chord can I use inplace of the m7b13 that would act as m7b13?


Computer: Macbook Pro, 16 inch 2021
DAWs: Pro Tools, Logic, and Maschine
plays drums, percussion, bass, steel pan, keyboard,
music producer/engineer
Island Soul #467352 04/15/18 07:33 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
min7#5 ?

Island Soul #467373 04/15/18 09:31 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,082
w Offline
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,082
Originally Posted By: Islansoul
Band in the Box does not recognize a m7(b13) as a chord. What chord can I use inplace of the m7b13 that would act as m7b13?


what are the piano chord notes for a minor7(b13) chord in the Key of C ?

Last edited by w; 04/15/18 09:36 AM. Reason: typing corrections

Mac Audiophile 2020 2019 2018 2017 USB plus previous years versions

macOS Mojave - 10.14.6 @ Aug 16, 2019

iMac i3 3.6 GHz 8GB RAM 4K with Retina display

some examples @ sound cloud done with Mac Band and DAW's : https://soundcloud.com/you/tracks
w #467386 04/15/18 10:44 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Here's some RC chords

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Cm7b13.png (39.85 KB, 75 downloads)
Pipeline #467387 04/15/18 10:56 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,082
w Offline
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,082
Thanks Pipeline,

however what actually are the piano chord notes for a minor7(b13) chord in the Key of C because i cannot read/see what they are from your screen shot of what ever programme that is you are using .

Last edited by w; 04/15/18 10:59 AM. Reason: correcting typing error

Mac Audiophile 2020 2019 2018 2017 USB plus previous years versions

macOS Mojave - 10.14.6 @ Aug 16, 2019

iMac i3 3.6 GHz 8GB RAM 4K with Retina display

some examples @ sound cloud done with Mac Band and DAW's : https://soundcloud.com/you/tracks
w #467391 04/15/18 11:11 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Better ?
Full Screen

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Cm7b13-VeryBig.png (687.18 KB, 7 downloads)
Cm7b13-Big.png (306.49 KB, 68 downloads)
Island Soul #467517 04/16/18 09:39 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,883
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,883
w, read up from the bottom (root) and use the notes with the row of light green boxes under the column for Cm7(b13).

C, Eb, G, Bb, Ab

The screen shot adds a natural 9, the D, which would be implied.

Cm7(#5) is the same chord as Cm7(b13) but without the D, and voiced with the G# (enharmonically, Ab) in the lower register.


BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Island Soul #467631 04/17/18 03:05 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 32
J
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 32
Hi Islansoul, smile

In musical theory, all modes Aeolian, Locrian and Phrygian have a 6b and not a 5 #, since they already have a perfect 5th. so, a fortiori, a b13. But, no b13 for the Dorian mode ...
We can hear this beautiful chord Am b13, on the first 8 of the theme: "Ralph's piano Waltz" by John Abercrombie.

And to answer your question, Biab has a problem, or rather a defect, or better a gap, he favors in this case the # 5 to the b6. The new "chord theory" function of "chord builder" is very explicit on this subject. And your question reminds that it is still impossible to write Cb and Fb ... with my Favorite Software, maybe with the 2018 MAC version ... but, one day surely! I spend too good times with Band in a box, for to continue to trust them !!
Finally, I found this list of chords, which dates from 2015,
http://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_chordlist.htm
Thank you for your question Islansoul,
Jacques smile
MacBook Pro (13 pouces, mi-2012) - High Sierra 10.13.4- BIAB 2017-(build 186).

Island Soul #467636 04/17/18 03:17 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,883
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,883
Interesting that Cm7#5 is not on that list, but it works.


BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Matt Finley #467656 04/17/18 04:07 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 32
J
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 32
Hi Matt, smile
we can write directly any minor chord 7 # 5 ... but not minor 7 b6!

# 5 or b6 that is the question ...

Thank you for all your answers, and your participation in this forum
Jacques smile

jazzjp #467660 04/17/18 04:18 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607
A possible work-around could be; Ab2/C


Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
jazzjp #467674 04/17/18 05:40 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,750
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,750
Originally Posted By: jazzjp
Hi Islansoul, smile

In musical theory, all modes Aeolian, Locrian and Phrygian have a 6b and not a 5 #, since they already have a perfect 5th. so, a fortiori, a b13. But, no b13 for the Dorian mode ...
We can hear this beautiful chord Am b13, on the first 8 of the theme: "Ralph's piano Waltz" by John Abercrombie.

And to answer your question, Biab has a problem, or rather a defect, or better a gap, he favors in this case the # 5 to the b6. The new "chord theory" function of "chord builder" is very explicit on this subject. And your question reminds that it is still impossible to write Cb and Fb ... with my Favorite Software, maybe with the 2018 MAC version ... but, one day surely! I spend too good times with Band in a box, for to continue to trust them !!
Finally, I found this list of chords, which dates from 2015,
http://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_chordlist.htm
Thank you for your question Islansoul,
Jacques smile
MacBook Pro (13 pouces, mi-2012) - High Sierra 10.13.4- BIAB 2017-(build 186).


jazzjp, thank you for sharing the link to the chord list tutorial. I'd forgotten about the list.


Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK
DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8
Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD
Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD
Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
Jim Fogle #467684 04/17/18 06:53 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
There is a Chord Picker Tool with all the chords in including the m7#5, just need to make up one for Mac.


Pipeline #468209 04/20/18 09:31 AM
Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,746
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 1,746
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
There is a Chord Picker Tool with all the chords in including the m7#5, just need to make up one for Mac.


Gosh Pipeline... that would be super awesome!


BIAB 2023 Audiophile, MacPro (Mid-2010) OSX 10.12.6
DAW: Digital Performer 8

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Holiday Weekend Hours

Our Customer Service hours this weekend are as follows:

Friday, April 18: 8:00 - 4:00
Saturday, April 19: closed
Sunday, April 20: closed
Monday, April 21: Regular hours

Thank you!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!

Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Get the latest update today!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!

First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!

www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm

Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®

Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.

Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.

Check out the forum post for more information.

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics83,895
Posts771,895
Members39,481
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
ireneschmid, winniemalone, Jersey Benson, /Brian evangeline, Steirerburli
39,480 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 159
DC Ron 107
rsdean 97
WaoBand 81
Today's Birthdays
mike5256
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5