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MUST people do this???? JUST to keep your song on the first page? Write another song!!
There is a thread now that has been bumped back to the top 30 times. Talk about insecure!! Send you little thank you notes by PM so one of the other 17 million users can have his song seen by the forums. There should actually be policy about this.
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Unabashed self promotion.....
There's a secret to it.... I won't tell who told me this little tid bit.
1. Write a song and post it.
2. wait for half a dozen comments.
3. reply to 3 individually on the first day, so it seems like you're really making an effort to reply to everyone but just ran out of time.
4. resist the urge to reply to the next ONE until the next day
5. reply individually to a few more the next day
6. reply to one per day or every other day as needed to "bump" the song back to page 1.
7. repeat step 6 until it's obvious what you're doing can no longer bump the song.
Hopefully by now, you're working on another song. Post on a Friday so there's all weekend to pick up new posts..... now.... do it all over again....
Is that what you're talking about Eddie?
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Unabashed self promotion.....
There's a secret to it.... I won't tell who told me this little tid bit.
1. Write a song and post it.
2. wait for half a dozen comments.
3. reply to 3 individually on the first day, so it seems like you're really making an effort to reply to everyone but just ran out of time.
4. resist the urge to reply to the next ONE until the next day
5. reply individually to a few more the next day
6. reply to one per day or every other day as needed to "bump" the song back to page 1.
7. repeat step 6 until it's obvious what you're doing can no longer bump the song.
Hopefully by now, you're working on another song. Post on a Friday so there's all weekend to pick up new posts..... now.... do it all over again....
Is that what you're talking about Eddie? YUP!!! When I look at a post and literally every other reply is from the songwriter, that is obviously just to keep it at the top of the page. Let's be fair here. Songs run their course. Move on and write another one. Wait a week after the original posting then post ONE reply thanking everybody for their feedback and move on to the next song. If the song is memorable, people will bookmark it and go back to listen again and again. If you feel the need to thank everyone individually do it in PMs.
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Well observed, as well as comments like, "your best to date, another masterpiece, my favourite of yours to date, this is a keeper, this is fantastic, you have surpassed your self this time. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the songs are fantastic, but it would be better to have some genuine critique rather than have the person continue on with the same mistakes, its mainly a case of, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEM6_s9ux0Axey
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I think if enough of us wanted it PG music could change the way the user showcase forum works so that it lists posts in a “first in first out” basis... like they do on FAWM songs.
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Or just put a limit on how many times an original poster can reply. That one is now up to 34 replies from the OP. That is blatant.
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I see absolutely nothing “wrong” with keeping your post on the front page long enough for regular members to see it before it drops off. And casual visitors likely only peruse the first page. And if one has been bounced a zillion times it’s still only one line on a screen full of many  Not much effort required to ignore it. And regarding a “one thank you fits all”...often thoughtful listeners leave remarks that can be better addressed individually. The problem IMO resides with folks who drop multiple songs within a week or even a day and then never respond to anything but their own posts. It’s hard to imagine that a post that is bounced multiple times could be more objectionable than folks who repeatedly post and respond ONLY to their own - having no interest in actually participating in what I perceive as a cool community. And as far as more rules go I’d rather see posters follow the existing stated forum protocols, e.g., include RTs, RDs used, effects, etc.
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I don't have a problem with it either for all the reasons Bud states.
I also find the people that just dump songs without ever taking the time to listen to other peoples songs much more annoying, it shows that they only care about their own work and have no interest in what other people are doing.
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I see absolutely nothing “wrong” with keeping your post on the front page long enough for regular members to see it before it drops off. And casual visitors likely only peruse the first page. And if one has been bounced a zillion times it’s still only one line on a screen full of many Not much effort required to ignore it. And regarding a “one thank you fits all”...often thoughtful listeners leave remarks that can be better addressed individually. The problem IMO resides with folks who drop multiple songs within a week or even a day and then never respond to anything but their own posts. It’s hard to imagine that a post that is bounced multiple times could be more objectionable than folks who repeatedly post and respond ONLY to their own - having no interest in actually participating in what I perceive as a cool community. And as far as more rules go I’d rather see posters follow the existing stated forum protocols, e.g., include RTs, RDs used, effects, etc. I don't have a problem with it either for all the reasons Bud states.
I also find the people that just dump songs without ever taking the time to listen to other peoples songs much more annoying, it shows that they only care about their own work and have no interest in what other people are doing. I wholeheartedly agree with Bud and Dave!!!
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BUMP!
On the submission I had in the past I would try and wait until a few replies were made and created a single reply with my responses to each of them. That keeps the self-spamming down a little IMHO.
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The problem IMO resides with folks who drop multiple songs within a week or even a day and then never respond to anything but their own posts. And that exactly fits the one that got the hairs on the back of my neck to stand up. 34 replies on a post with only 2x that many replies. Sometimes 5 and 6 in a row.
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On the submission I had in the past I would try and wait until a few replies were made and created a single reply with my responses to each of them. That keeps the self-spamming down a little IMHO. ^^^ That. ^^^ Reply once every few days. I find it extremely selfish to try and commandeer the song submission post this way. So much so it could be off-putting enough to possibly chase people away. For perspective, I suppose if you wrote one song a year I get it, but in the spirit of fair play, stop it. I should also add that part of my position on this topic is in line with my attitude toward what I want to play on stage. And that goes something like "This is what I am going to play. You can like it or not like it, but this is what I am going to play. I am happy with what I choose to play for you whether you like it or not, and you will. Don't bring your requests up here because I am not going to play them anyway." In context, "Listen to my song, don't listen to my song. I don't care because I am not changing it for you anyway. I appreciate input, but I am not likely to change what I do." I am still getting plays on a song that was posted 8 weeks ago. I don't know if it's even on the forum anymore, nor will I look. It doesn't matter. Otherwise stated, I write for ME. It's NICE if other people like my stuff, but I am not going to the garage to hang myself if they don't. I know in my heart I am a pretty good writer and I am not going to embark on an obvious, transparent campaign for plays. I DO walk that fine line between confident and arrogant..... don't I? That's why I'm so popular. (Is there a sarcasm emoticon?)
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Maybe we should see how many folks would like to see the forum not to “bump” a post for a reply by the original poster?
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The problem IMO resides with folks who drop multiple songs within a week or even a day and then never respond to anything but their own posts. And that exactly fits the one that got the hairs on the back of my neck to stand up. 34 replies on a post with only 2x that many replies. Sometimes 5 and 6 in a row. I agree.
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Maybe we should see how many folks would like to see the forum not to “bump” a post for a reply by the original poster? I don't get on the showcase forum as often as I would like so if this happened I would miss a lot of good songs. I would like PGMusic to keep those songs that one hasn't listened to in bold or black lettering and the ones they have in regular or gray lettering from log in to log in. If they did this then your suggestion would work also.
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Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it?
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Well observed, as well as comments like, "your best to date, another masterpiece, my favourite of yours to date, this is a keeper, this is fantastic, you have surpassed your self this time. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the songs are fantastic, but it would be better to have some genuine critique rather than have the person continue on with the same mistakes, its mainly a case of, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEM6_s9ux0Axey I don't this (the horse video) is the case here. Most of us are hobbyist at best and doing this just for fun. If one wants their music critiqued they should join a professional service and have the pros do it. YMMV Also if you can't get on the showcase forum as frequently as you would like most likely what you would have said already has been stated. So short statements like the ones you mentioned are appropriate IMHO. Again YMMV
OK, a random thought;
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Maybe we should see how many folks would like to see the forum not to “bump” a post for a reply by the original poster? Interesting idea. I’ve only seen something like that done on one other forum (trumpet players) where they have cross-checking to prevent posting for-sale items until you’ve made five substantive regular posts. I somehow think this (a hard limit, or maybe a date limitation) would be hard to implement, but if it could be done, then +1
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Fortunately, any negativity and mockery that appears in these forums largely remains in the Off Topic forum.
Could be one of the reasons it is a lot less active than it used to be.
On the other hand, the Showcase continues to attract more and more users.
It is warm, inviting, encouraging.
Obviously, the people who make it that way are good with the "way it works" - as demonstrated by their posts in this thread.
"Self promotion" is not shameful.
It is the nature of the music business today.
And practiced (heavily) by many in this thread who are suggesting there is "something wrong" in the Showcase.
Should we talk about hypocrisy now?
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I can only speak for me but I have never responded 36 times to my own post (out of 76 total replies - simple math) to keep it on the top of the list. Nor would I.
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On the very rare occasion I’ve posted a song here, I’ve received lots of questions. Thinking out loud, how would it ‘count’ to answer them?
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