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I'll have to agree with many here, after first looking at the Video RealTracks, I've never looked at them again. Seemed like a bit of a marketing hype more so than a real addition to the capabilities of the programs.
As someone else mentioned, I have no doubt that many hours of collaboration, work and testing went into the development of the videos. For me personally, I would have thought that the work direction would have been better served focusing on new RT's, new styles and xtra styles as well as fixing the notation problems with missing highlighted notes at the end of the lead sheets.
Perhaps, in a round about way, this was the purpose of the Video RT's: to get users to help direct PG in the direction they really need to go. Seem there are many good suggestions here and scattered throughout the forums, Video RT's doesn't seem to be one of them.
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C) I wondered why PG Music ever did this in the first place.  So does anyone actually find them useful? It seems to be more or less unanimous vote for C) here on the Forum so far.
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Definitely C)
After reviewing them I wondered "Whatever were they thinking? !!"
Clearly a significant effort went into developing these. I've explored them but can state that I'll never know of a practical worthwhile use for them.
Sadly, so many other issues need resolving, there is a huge list of known bugs, and instead the resources were spent developing this (pretty much useless?) feature.
I'm at a loss as to how the think-tank works.
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No interest here. The time /money spent on this should have been used for improving BIAB. A dockable, dynamic & fully customizable front end (interface) for example.
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C) No interest. Because this feature don't add any musicality item to our BIAB productions.
PGM wasted much time and money to pay the musicians for a feature which has never been requested by users.
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As I stated at the top of this thread, I have no interest in this function and I agree with others, in that the development of it has probably taken resources away from more important improvements.
I seem to recall, earlier this year, several posts from people who had tried out video. It would be interesting to hear their views on it today.
Also interesting will be PGM's response to this thread, if any.
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As I stated at the top of this thread, I have no interest in this function and I agree with others, in that the development of it has probably taken resources away from more important improvements.
I seem to recall, earlier this year, several posts from people who had tried out video. It would be interesting to hear their views on it today.
Also interesting will be PGM's response to this thread, if any.
Vintage Good points, especially the final sentence. The O/P sensitively and sensibly proposed a number of quality questions, one of which remains with no response still. I too am interested in the developer's perspective. They are reasonable questions.
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I personally have no use for them, but isn't it possible that as a teaching tool they have value?
You can see voicings etc.
I understand most of us will not use them, but I do not think they were a total waste from this point of view. I know PGMusic is a proponent of music education/teaching.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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I'm at +1 with rharv on this one.
A "teaching tool" is what I see them being used for. If PGMusic think there is sufficient demand for it to warrant putting mega resources toward it, then perhaps they know something that we don't, namely, that there is an existing or growing market for "video learning".
As for "not being requested by users", that may also have been true when they introduced "Real Drums" and "Real Tracks". We hadn't asked for them but PGMusic took a chance on them, and we (well, some of us) ended up fully embracing something that we didn't know we needed!!?!!
If they choose to continue adding to them for the 2019 version, I'd have to think they figure on the market being there, and they're not just "beating a dead horse".
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I thought I had clarified the origins of Real-Video long ago Dec 03, 2017 Originally Posted By: WendyM
BTW whats the logic behind RT vids? Why would User want to SEE what Brent is playing?;-) That is a good question many are asking right now. At first I thought, "what? - I didn't see that on coming". One thing for sure it tells me, PG has a vision for what he wants to market in BIAB and he is going to pursue it. I think a lot of folk don't fully appreciate how innovative this guy is. They keep asking for one thing or another that they think should be added. But we see here, the Boss ultimately decides. _________________________
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late responding and too late to halt any effort already used by PG this year but
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If BB transposes the RealTrack to fit it's not an accurate representation as it comes up on the the video "Transposed x semitones" you would have to have it set to "Avoid Transpositions in RealTracks" in the song settings, but I'm not sure if that always works as it says "...will try not to transpose"
Maybe it should be a product that you buy separate if you use it as a teaching tool, maybe that's what they will do as they would of put a lot of work in it already.
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One thing for sure it tells me, PG has a vision for what he wants to market in BIAB and he is going to pursue it. I think a lot of folk don't fully appreciate how innovative this guy is. They keep asking for one thing or another that they think should be added. But we see here, the Boss ultimately decides. What frustrates many of us is this "innovation" you speak of 1) appears to have wildly missed the mark with Video RealTracks and 2) comes at the expense of fixing existing limitations that would universally benefit ALL users (regenerate bar by bar/track by track or have more than 4 beats in a bar for example)! Most of us acknowledge that Video RealTracks are innovative and probably took a lot of effort and clever programming to implement but we're still looking to see who wants or needs this! And while you may be right that "the Boss ultimately decides" on the features, it is ultimately the CUSTOMERS who decide whether or not those features warrant their spending money on!
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Maybe video tracks will turn out to be PG Music’s “Edsel car”. Who knows? I watched one video for a short period, realizing that it didn’t offer anything of interest, or practical use for what I do with BIAB. In fact, I don’t use any of the solo instruments/styles provided, since I play my own solos in live settings. Is that an unnecessary feature for live players?
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Let’s keep an open mind and see where PG Music goes. There is no point in attacking the program for what it has that you don’t use, because maybe someone else does use it and need it.
I think this thread has more than made its point. Unless we hear from PG Music about its vision (which would be out of character), or we have posts that say someone IS using the video capabilities, then this thread might as well cease. It’s starting to sound ungrateful and I doubt anyone really thinks that’s a productive thing to do.
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Let’s keep an open mind and see where PG Music goes. There is no point in attacking the program for what it has that you don’t use, because maybe someone else does use it and need it. I disagree Matt. The point is for paying customers to give feedback. What you are calling attacks are IMHO just expressions of frustration at having longstanding issues going unaddressed and pretty much ignored while puzzling new "features" are added. I think this thread has more than made its point. Unless we hear from PG Music about its vision (which would be out of character), or we have posts that say someone IS using the video capabilities, then this thread might as well cease. It’s starting to sound ungrateful and I doubt anyone really thinks that’s a productive thing to do. Again I disagree. I'd like to hear from more folks about this. So far the response has been pretty much unanimous but if there is anyone who has used or uses the feature it would be great to hear from them. And regarding your suggestion that this conversation sounds "ungrateful" I'm not sure I understand your point. I'm not getting BIAB for free. PGM provides me software and I give them money. Every year this happens. How is a customer voicing concerns ungrateful?
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Maybe video tracks will turn out to be PG Music’s “Edsel car”. Lol, how about Tesla? I'd vote A for some nice publishing rights & royalty free video material to use on Youtube, f.i. of some Hawaiian Ladies dancing when you play Blue Hawaii. -F
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Well C, I did try them out, and was a little impressed. Saying that, If given the option whether to have or get rid of them, I would probably want them to stay.
If given the choice I would probably like PG to focus its energy on other things, rather than develop video tracks, but I suspect a good few more are in the pipeline.
Now if PG were to develop some sort of video tracks like a real live stage setting, where the real musicians could be viewed in total, with the camera's zooming in and out like a real live youtube video, and there was some way of superimposing your own video of simply yourself playing then that would be worthwhile.
This I don't think is doable as it would require a lot of green screen effects, but I would certainly vote for that one.
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"The point is for paying customers to give feedback. What you are calling attacks are IMHO just expressions of frustration at having longstanding issues going unaddressed and pretty much ignored while puzzling new "features" are added."
Whose point is it for paying customer to give feedback? PGMusic hasn't requested this feedback nor participated in this thread. All these "expressions of frustration" mentioned have everything to do with "longstanding issues going unaddressed..." and pre-exist any video tracks released. This thread is unsolicited feedback from what has so far been folks feel videoTracks are unimportant or they simply have no interest in them one way or the other and some are even "puzzled" to what they are and what PGMusic's vision for them may ultimately be. The RealTracks and RealDrums we use today are more versatile and are better quality, have had the addition of effects, amp modules and much more over the short period of years we've been graced having them.
Remember, video killed the radio star and initially came in two colors, black and white. The model T Ford changed the world with just one color, black. So the 'Black' days many here are suffering may just be a precursor to some amazing things we'll be thrilled with.
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I thought I had clarified the origins of Real-Video long ago Dec 03, 2017 Originally Posted By: WendyM
BTW whats the logic behind RT vids? Why would User want to SEE what Brent is playing?;-) That is a good question many are asking right now. At first I thought, "what? - I didn't see that on coming". One thing for sure it tells me, PG has a vision for what he wants to market in BIAB and he is going to pursue it. I think a lot of folk don't fully appreciate how innovative this guy is. They keep asking for one thing or another that they think should be added. But we see here, the Boss ultimately decides. _________________________ seeing as I just got mentioned, my two pennyworth is still a C).True its innovative and clever if ina clunky kind of way on some of the videos Ive tried.But as Im never going to make video-Im an arranger/performer-any such add-ons are a waste of money. And speaking as one who holds the purse strings here-I would be less than happy if I found that 2019 pricing went up to cover the costs of produing these videos. So there! Wendy
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