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I know this will make folks mad BUT if your new to DAW use buy Power Tracks Pro. It's 29 dollars and has 100s of features you'll know about howevr that's better than Reaper,etc. that'll have 1000s of features you know nothing about.
PT will keep the waters less muddy and works perfectly as an add on to BIAB.
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Hi John, Even though I have only been on the PGmusic forums for less than a week, I have learned enough about the people here to say that I would be very surprised if anyone here would get mad about your recommendation of Power Tracks Pro. I think that your rationale for suggesting that to Vincente is a wonderful one, and I agree completely that Reaper (and some other DAWs) are so complicated at first that it could put someone off. I am grateful for the other suggestions, too.
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I used SONAR for decades. When we thought they were gone, I tested all the demos I could find and switched to Mixcraft.
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I used SONAR for decades. When we thought they were gone, I tested all the demos I could find and switched to Mixcraft. In my last huge purchase on a computer to do audio recording (in 2007), I went Mac, and I have to say that I really, really liked the simplicity of workflow in GarageBand - more than Logic, actually. That was a great 'starter' DAW. Am going to look at Mixcraft now, if it is still around.
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Wow, so much great advice here.
I'm just gonna add that I think Matt Finley said it best earlier in the thread "Most people will recommend the one they know best because if you learn one there is rarely a good reason to use another."
The most important thing, IMO, is to pick one based on what you read here and stick with it.
Each DAW will have its own way of accomplishing things and its own learning curve.
That said, as someone else in this thread very wisely pointed out, since it appears that the DAW of choice in these forums seems to be Reaper, go with that to the extent that you may be soliciting advice from forum members throughout your musical journey.
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+1 for learning RealBand and seeing if it meets your needs. If not, start shopping for something that has features you need. I grew up with Cakewalk from the DOS days. You can now use it free at www.bandlab.com , but it pretty much expects you to be connected to the Internet. https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/
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I should confess I don't use RealBand, but like PhillyJazz I had long since learned Cakewalk Pro Audio (which became SONAR, which recently became BandLab). I'm wrongly following my own advice by not learning this particular "new" one when I already knew another quite well. Many users here make a great case to learn RealBand for the special abilities it has, most notably regenerating sections of a track.
If I were starting out, I certainly would have learned RealBand first. Then moved to a standalone DAW.
Standalone DAWs are like foreign languages. They all do the almost the same things; they just go about it differently. The more of them you learn, the easier it gets as you see the similarities. Often it's a case of learning the terminology (what one DAW calls this, another calls that).
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I agree that RB is a good place to start if you are a BB user. In addition, you can generate additional RT's for the same instrument so you can make composite tracks. I also like the interface for RB. Once you get used to the DAW concept (I am just getting comfortable), I would think about Reaper. I have been watching the videos about Reaper lately and it seems to do things that RB can't. I am going to bring my next BB project into Reaper to see how it goes. As far as your wife killing you for spending the money, you might want to put it in perspective for her. You could be a big game hunter, a car enthusiast or spend your dough on boating and fishing gear. Recording is a lot cheaper.  2b
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Thanks, John. I didn't know that. I will take a look.
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+1 for learning RealBand and seeing if it meets your needs. If not, start shopping for something that has features you need. I grew up with Cakewalk from the DOS days. You can now use it free at www.bandlab.com , but it pretty much expects you to be connected to the Internet. https://cakewalk.bandlab.com/ Hi PhillyJazz, Thanks for the Bandlab link. Even though it has loops for various genres, it seems to be aimed at the Electronic Dance Music crowd in terms of the sonic quality of the instruments and so on. For "sonic" read "MIDI". Still, it is somewhat interesting. Very, very different from Sonar.
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So what's the catch there .... ?
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Okay, don't get confused here folks. Yes, BandLab is an online platform for creating (as indicated, loop based EDM music), but that's not what we're talking about here. When Cakewalk went out of business, Bandlab bought their software resources and are now marketing what was previously Cakewalk Sonar Platinum as Cakewalk by Bandlab. This is a full featured DAW that has been in use by many musicians for many, many years, capable of creating all types of music.
So, by downloading the Bandlab installer, in addition to using your account to access the online Bandlab software and loops, you also use it to install and keep updated the new Cakewalk DAW on your computer. The only difference between Sonar Platinum and the new Cakewalk by Bandlab is they don't have all the additional add-ons (because those agreements were originally made between Cakewalk and the 3rd party vendors, which wasn't included in the transfer of Cakewalks intellectual property).
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Thanks John for the detailed explanation. That certainly clarifies the position. We are talking about two separate products, essentially.
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I have not tried using it offline, but I had not used it for a while, and when I fired it up, it demanded I log into my bandcamp account and update my status. I don't know what would have happened had I been offline.
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Yes.. I merely brought up Bandlab as the means of obtaining Cakewalk. I do not know that there is another (legal) way to install the bits locally, as Sonor is not "abandonware."
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I deleted Bandlab installer after I got cakewalk and it still runs fine.
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Cakewalk by BandLab is not (or at least was not) run from the BandLab site. From BandLab one downloads the installer and runs it. Then you let the installer download and install Cakewalk by BandLab and whatever extras they now have (eg the Melodyne demo). Once installed the download tool just sits there, a download tool will be required for updates etc.
If you have a present install of Sonar, Cakewalk by BandLab will pick up all the goodies you may have loaded. It will also pick it any VSTs (assuming you have the correct paths set in preferences). As said many times Cakewalk by BandLab is basically Sonar Platinum without all the add ons. In reality it is the add ons that really cost.
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Okay, don't get confused here folks. Yes, BandLab is an online platform for creating (as indicated, loop based EDM music), but that's not what we're talking about here. When Cakewalk went out of business, Bandlab bought their software resources and are now marketing what was previously Cakewalk Sonar Platinum as Cakewalk by Bandlab. This is a full featured DAW that has been in use by many musicians for many, many years, capable of creating all types of music.
So, by downloading the Bandlab installer, in addition to using your account to access the online Bandlab software and loops, you also use it to install and keep updated the new Cakewalk DAW on your computer. The only difference between Sonar Platinum and the new Cakewalk by Bandlab is they don't have all the additional add-ons (because those agreements were originally made between Cakewalk and the 3rd party vendors, which wasn't included in the transfer of Cakewalks intellectual property).
Hi John, Thanks for this. That is what I thought was the case, but when I created the Bandlab account earlier today and played around with the interface and website, I saw no mention of Cakewalk, even though I was looking for it. There was a download link, but it in no way gave any clue that the product you could download was any different from the very different-from-Sonar product online. I will try again.
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Interesting post about hardware DAWs. How do you transfer files from BB to the machine?
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