Can anyone please describe the roadmap for REAL BAND?
I like Biab to generate tracks, change instruments, add lyrics, and make changes. Also to import midi. also export video.
However biab doesnt do enough with midi, in my opinion.
Hence I got to RB. Working in real band was a disappointment: It didn't import or transfer lyrics from Biab. It didn't import/ transfer markers. So already I cant see using it.
So how could it be useful?
Doesn't seem to have the 24/94 sound engine quality of my daw as well.
Yes it separates midi, but my impulse is to get out of it asap.
The roadmap would have to come from PGMusic. We users are not privy to that.
But from your comments...
First of all, though, BIAB will not give you 24/96. Everything is recorded in 16-bit, 44.1Khz wav files (converted to compressed WMA files unless you happen to have the audiophile edition). Your DAW, however, can upsample that content when you load it.
RealBand will support greater than 16/44.1; however, you'll have to set it to match your sound card.
Lyrics can be imported into RealBand from BIAB as long as they are note based lyrics. RealBand doesn't support bar based lyrics. Just the way it is.
By markers, I assume you mean the A/B substyle markers. If you export to MIDI from BIAB and then import that MIDI into RealBand, then you're not going to get those markers, because they are BIAB specific, not in the MIDI standard. However, if you open an SGU or MGU file directly into RealBand, your chord grid markers should be preserved.
I would probably spend some time looking at the various videos provided by PGMusic for both products to get a better handle on how it works (and now you can even request videos in the new forum). And keep asking questions here. But we need to know specifically what you are trying to accomplish and specifically what didn't work, and may have to provide a copy of the file you are working on so we can better take a look (using dropbox, for example).
John
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Doesn't seem to have the 24/94 sound engine quality of my daw as well.
I beg to differ; audio selection options shown in image below. Generated Tracks will depend on your package purchased but it does have the mentioned bit/rate options depending on your selected sound card (not DAW). Just tryin' to hep.
Last edited by rharv; 11/06/1803:32 PM.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
I'd say the reasons to use RealBand is that once you have your Band-in-a-Box song laid out, you can open it in RealBand and have 48 audio or MIDI tracks available for recording (Band-in-a-Box has one audio track and two MIDI tracks the user can record to).
You can also regenerate just selected bars of the tracks BIAB had generated, which isn't possible in Band-in-a-Box.
For these reasons, it's good for finishing projects that were started in BIAB.
It's also great for editing MIDI files, since it works natively in the General MIDI format, unlike many DAWs.
Of course, if you're already comfortable in another DAW, you can drag and drop tracks directly from BIAB to your DAW. It requires a few more clicks than just opening the song in RB, but it's not too bad. The biggest drawback is that your DAW can't regenerate BB tracks, but you can regenerate the song in BIAB, drag multiple versions of a track into your DAW, and copy and paste to keep the best parts.
I always say that the best DAW is the one you're comfortable with.
I find RB works out really well for my music lessons. I had really bad timing issues and with RB and BB most of it is gone. More and more I am using RB because I feel I have more control over what I am attempting to accomplish.
At first I found it very difficult but the more I work with it I like it.
are these over-sites? I mean come on, real band only has to communicate with one app in the universe!
John addressed both of your issues previously. Have you tried his suggestions? Any change? First test would be simply opening one of your SGU files in RB. Do Markers come across? Then address your lyric entry issue, which may mean a change of work flow in BiaB to save time in the long run.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
I am not an RB user, but I do have a large collection of songs written with BIAB that include lyrics, both note based and a few old ones that are bar based.
I found it hard to believe that RB wouldn't be able to accept songs with lyrics or part markers so I followed John's advice and opened one of my existing note based songs in RB. It's is a "modern" pop/rock song, not a jazz classic. It has both Ral tracks, a real drum and a midi track. I didn't convert it to MIDI, WAVE, MP3 or anything else. I just opened the MGU file in RB.
It worked perfectly!! I have all the notes, it generated all of the accompaniment, the lyrics are all there, and so are the part markers. It took a while, much longer than BIAB to generate all the real tracks, but it completed successfully.
I do not understand how you can say it doesn't work.
BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643) Windows 10 (1909)
Just to comment on your "jazz" opinion - at the last count less than 24% were jazz styles
As we are today jazz or semi jazz styles have crept into modern day and pop music just as hip hop etc. has crept into jazz
I do arrangements for a wide spectrum of music for church - pop and folk and never had any difficulty in finding ample styles appropriate to use
I sympathise with you on your other problem and yes the program must move forward but we have a very great deal to be thankful for and it seems a pity that the two programs could not be joined into one
jazzman
Last edited by Jazzman; 11/08/1805:04 AM.
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Can anyone please describe the roadmap for REAL BAND?
I like Biab to generate tracks, change instruments, add lyrics, and make changes. Also to import midi. also export video.
However biab doesnt do enough with midi, in my opinion.
Hence I got to RB. Working in real band was a disappointment: It didn't import or transfer lyrics from Biab. It didn't import/ transfer markers. So already I cant see using it.
So how could it be useful?
Doesn't seem to have the 24/94 sound engine quality of my daw as well.
Yes it separates midi, but my impulse is to get out of it asap.
What is it's roadmap?
Instead can more midi tools be put in biab?
thanks
I suggest your roadmap for RB would be to reverse your workflow and start your project with RB. You can create your chord chart, part markers, select the style, tempo, and key signature and do your midi work first. Save the RB project as a midi file.
The midi file will instantly open in BIAB with the correct key signature, tempo part markers and your chord progression populating the Chord chart. At this point, you are ready to use Biab to generate tracks,change instruments,add lyrics, and make any additional changes you wish. Also you're ready to import more midi and export video.
Since your midi is in place in RB in the saved project, you have several choices for either generating midi tracks or rendering midi tracks to audio and importing that audio.
BIAB is capable of creating very complex songs that contain dozens of instruments as well as dozens of tracks so your project should proceed just as smoothly, if not smoother than had you started the project in BIAB and migrated to RB or another DAW.
It always seem to boil down to which is 'better', Biab or Realband. Guess it's the way you work to solve this issue.
As Cubase user since Atari days (Pro24 then, and audio came with the Falcon), i never liked Realband, or powertracks as DAW very much. Why? Probably the interface and some working routines are quite different. Especially the editing of MIDI data seem to me a bit like it's still in its KinderGarten days.
I must say RealBand intrigues me because of its music generation & creation capabilities, and more available audio tracks. As such i still plan on taking a deeper dive down with it, alas sort of scared of them possible sharks hiding in troubled water. But for now i am more familiar with BIAB, can shoot faster with it. Used it for so long now.
PS luckily PG gives as a choice by offering both ..... and maybe RealBand holds the real Trump card. Call me a PG fan. F
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We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
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