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Just a quick note on the hum issue. I've used the Ebtech (now owned by Morley) units for years, and they are great! Signal/ground imbalance in most cases is eliminated, or reduced drastically. There are no switches. Just plug one cable into the input, and the other to the output. There are different models depending on what type of connector you use, and how many inputs/outputs you need. The HE-2 has two 1/4 TRS ins/outs, and runs $65. They also make a 2 in/out XLR (humxlr) model, and an 8 channel in/out rack mount ($225). These are passive devices and really do the job. Sweetwater, American Musical, Musician's Friend all carry them.
Richard
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Just a word of caution. I thought I'd upgrade my laptop this weekend, I discovered that many of the Intel chips that are shipping with new laptops in the $800 and under range do not support virtualization. The bad news is if it doesn't support virtualization you cannot run XP mode. So, later today I'm taking back the 2nd laptop I purchased at Best Buy. IF I want to stick with Windows 7-64 bit, I'll have to place a special order at the store and spend close to $1000. Then I'm faced with the dilemma should I just spend a couple hundered more and move to a MacBook. FYI, here's a link to the chipsets that will or will not run virtualization. http://ark.intel.com/VTList.aspx
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Another quick point about hum with a laptop. You only get hum when you're using the power supply. Running it on the battery is dead quiet. With some of the new batteries advertising 8 hours of use, even if a live gig uses it up faster, it should be enough if you don't want to have the hassle of plugging in one of those hum eliminator gadgets.
Bob
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Hi all,
I tried to get the TTS to work but when I select it in the BIAB VST/DirectX Instrumetn/Plugins window, it says "c:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXI\TTS-1\TTS-1.dll is not a valid VST plugin!"
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
Earl Green
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Hi Earl,
It works ok for me. It might be worthwhile looking at your Midi/Audio driver set-up. My settings are...
1. Midi Input driver = input port on soundcard (for me that is an Audigy 2)
2. Midi Output Driver = Audigy 2 synth (although I'm using the VST/DXi synth so this setting is probably not relevant)
3. Soundcard = my soundcard (Audigy 2)
4. I have "Use VST/DXi Synth" checked
5. I also have "Route Midi Thru to Midi Drive" checked (although for some people, this seems to work better unchecked according to comments on these forums)
6. Then under the DXi shortcut button (between "plugins" and "panic"), I select the TTS synth.
If this doesn't work, I suggest you start a new post rather than continue on with this one. Doing so will make it easier for others to see your problem.
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Is it possible to buy the TTS synth on its own or do you have to buy Sonar to get it?
Also, is it functionally a complete replacement for the VSC or is their anything that it can't do? (e.g. the VSC DXi synth is required for rendering WAVs - can the TTS be used for the same purpose?)
Regards, Aubrey
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The TTS-1 comes on the CD with SONAR and is installed separately. I do not know if it is available by itself.
TTS is a General MIDI synth, which would make it easy to use with BIAB. On the SONAR forum, the sounds are not highly regarded. However, many like to use it while first developing a song because it has very low CPU usage, and that is a substantial feature compared to some of these products. They then replace the sounds with a better synth sound later if needed.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
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Thanks Matt,
As I am not a Sonar user, it sounds like Forte is still my best option for running under 64bit Windows 7. (Barring the hardware synth route).
I always replace the VSC sounds with better synths once I have exported the BIAB Midi arrangements to my DAW so the BIAB midi synth quality is not paramount, but it needs to be good enough to do the BIAB styles justice when auditioning and arranging in BIAB. I am sure that I must have passed up perfectly good styles in the past just because the Midi synth they were playing through in BIAB didn't sound great. For instance I have learned over time that any style with an overdriven electric guitar will sound pretty poor through the VSC but will usually sound OK when converted into, say, a sampletank sound.
On the other hand I have always found the VSC bass guitars, pianos (electric and acoustic), and the string sounds to be pretty usable.
I have never got around to buying Forte but from the forum discussions I get the impression that it is on a par with the VSC, better on some instruments and worse on others.
I have always stuck with the VSC because a) It's free, b) It integrates pretty seamlessly with BIAB, and c) It's fast in operation (I had a pretty poor experience with Bandstand in this respect). I guess that I will have to take the plunge with something else (probably Forte) when I upgrade to 64bit.
I haven't given up hope that PG may bundle something great with BIAB as a 64 bit VSC replacement.
Regards, Aubrey
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I just got BIAB 2010/RB and a new Vista 64-bit OS on a new computer I bought for just my music. I have a Roland/Edirol SD-20 sound canvas and have installed the drivers for it in the new computer. I have not run it over the stage speakers yet but I will soon. I also bought the Forte 1.6 Dxi. I like the sound but am disappointed that it will not play my bank changes, e.g., castinets, thunder, etc. Would some one be so kind as to lead me through the steps for converting these midi tracks with bank changes on them into something that will play on the Forte Dxi? I have tried to convert the tracks to Audio and wav by right clicking on the track but, if I did it right, neither method allowed me to hear the right sound. Maybe Forte Dxi doesn't recognize bank changes at all? Is that the case? I am also waiting for my free upgrade to Windows 7 OS. I have read all the posts in this thread but I still do not know if it is best to leave the OS as Vista 64-bit, change it to W7 64-bit, or W7 32-bit, or just change it all back to Windows XP. I could use all the advice I can get in these areas. Thank you all so much for your help. I have 500 midi files I take to a job and I would like to start producing files that include both midi and real tracks. But it is all beginning to look like a giant task because of the little computer-related problems that keep coming up. Regards, Scott 
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TTS-1 is not available separately from sonar, BUT Music Creator 5 comes with TTS-1 and it's available as a download for only $35. for $35 you get TTS-1, the Cakewalk Soundcenter (a softsynth based on the NI Kore player), the cakewalk Studio Instruments Drums (MIDI softsynth) and much more inlcuding MC which is a full blown sequencers (with limitations). http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-CWMC5.00-30E
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He is not barking up the proverbial tree here For $35 you get a lot, and i have that package and all three wotk nicely in RB.
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Thank you both for your advice. I will look into the program you suggested. I certainly appreciate your idea! Regards, Scott
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you also get Amplitube X-gear which, for guitar players, is a GREAT plugin for amp simulation. it comes free with MC5! all that for $35!
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Peter,
As Jan said, you can get TTS-1 to work in Vista 64, and I'm assuming Win7. I have that on my laptop, but don't have Sonar on that, so I can't try it there. I'm sure it does, though.
The XP mode in Win 7 Pro is for older programs, primarily business programs, CAD, Financing and Accounting and such that isn't supported in Windows 7, or Windows 7 isn't supported in that software, so it allows you to upgrade the computer, and still have the ability to run it. It is only in the Professional version, and I wouldn't want to try to run BIAB, VSC, or anything like that with it.
Gary
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Quote:
Is it possible to buy the TTS synth on its own or do you have to buy Sonar to get it?
Also, is it functionally a complete replacement for the VSC or is their anything that it can't do? (e.g. the VSC DXi synth is required for rendering WAVs - can the TTS be used for the same purpose?)
Regards, Aubrey
I had a friend, a SONAR owner, send me the TTS-1 dll(?) on its own, only to discover that it will not run without having been installed with a Cakewalk program. Apparently it needs to be written to the registry. (Forgive me if my understanding of the actual software processes are incorrect.)
Short version: I had it on one machine, now defunct, but with Sonar 5 or 6 installed, and I was able to use it with BIAB. The .dll didn't work by itself on another machine without SONAR.
R.
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
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Thank you all very much. With the information so far I have decided to call Cakewalk today to confirm that TTS-1 works with Vista and Windows 64-bit OS's and that it recognizes all GM and GM2 bank changes. I am concerned that the sound from TTS-1 is not highly regarded on the Sonar Forum, as indicated in one of your responses, but at least I can use it until the ForteDXi update implementing full bank recognition comes out. I and also leaning toward installing the 64-bit W7 upgrade when I receive it. Thanks again for all the helpful and interesting information. I wish I had started posting on the forums eight or ten years ago when I started using BIAB. Regards, Scott
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I just got off the line with Cakewalk Sales. I was told that their Music Creator 5, which comes with TTS-1 may or may not install on a 64-bit system. They would not guarantee that it would install on all 64-bit systems. The sales people also did not know if TTS would recognize all GM/GM2 bank changes. I tried to e-mail the questions to their tech support people (as sales suggested), but their tech support team doesn't take e-mail questions from people who don't own the product. So I e-mailed sales and asked them to forward the questions about 64-bit systems and bank support changes to their tech people to try to get definitive answers. I reads Peter's msg stating TTS would install on 64-bit systems. But is there any special steps to follow to get the Music Creator 5 with TTS-1 to install on a 64-bit system - or do you just click INSTALL? Also can anyone tell me if the TTS recognizes bank changes? If so I want to give it a try - at least until the ForteDXi is updated to accept all the bank changes. Thanks, Happy Holidays! Scott
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I just helped a friend configure Music Creator 5 for Band in a Box. What a great deal! $35, you get a lot of the features of Sonar, the TTS-1 is working perfect in his aging computer. Not sure about 64 bit yet, but If you are looking for great midi sounds and GM compatibility, this is a great way to go. I'm sure there will be a 64bit patch for win 7 out soon.
Ed
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yes, TTS-1 recognizes bank changes. it does as much as Edirol VSC does and a little more (and it sounds a little better, IMO).
as far as will MC5 install on a 64bit system, that's a good question. I'll see if I can get an answer for that.
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Thanks Edward and Beagle! If we can find out if it installs on 64-bit systems I will buy it today! It is great that it recognizes all the back changes! Merry Christmas to all! Scott 
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