...however it won't generate anything for toffee. The progress bar starts to move and craps out after a few seconds on both DAW's with both audio solutions I've tried.
As a test, try leaving it for up to 10 minutes and see if it finally completes the Generate.
Thanks
I left it overnight and still nothing.
I tried various folder and app permissions as well to no avail. It manages to create empty folders in Drive:\bb\BBPlugin\SavedTracks so I doubt it is to do with file permissions anyhow.
Other steps I've taken include uninstalling AV protection, enabling on board sound, instead of and as well as my Roland interface, re-installing WMP as I usually use MPC-BE as my default player, as well as various other ancillary and futile tweaks.
Unfortunately there are no errors thrown by the plug in the progess bar starts and it says it generating and the progress bar starts to move but after a few seconds it just stops.
I wonder if setting bb\bbw4.exe to Run As Administrator would help or does the vst run it in admin mode already ?
Not sure if this was a coincidence, a Win10 issue, a BIAB issue or a Reaper issue, but after I set the bbw4 and the bbw64 exe's to Run As Admin, Reaper was able to load the plugin, as it should.
Prior to that, I was getting the BIABVSTi GUI coming up without the transport BIABVSTi issue
I was able to load a demo song/style from my BIAB-HDD, Generate tracks and save it as a user preset. Now when I call up my BIAB Project Template in Reaper, the user preset comes up including the generated tracks, all within a matter of seconds and my latency within Reaper does not change (64 spls @ 48K).
I then changed the permissions back by unchecking Run As Admin, and it all worked. Repeated this several times last evening. Had my computer off over-night and when I fired it up this morning, it all worked!
I no longer need to use SAVIHost.
So thanks to Pipeline for suggesting the Run As Admin step. In the end, this is what got things working for me in Reaper.
I did not change anything else in my system, including updates nor did I disable my AV.
It also may have had something to do with the fact that I kept BIAB 2016 installed with it's library on an internal drive "G drive". The 2019 BIAB is being run off the BIAB-HDD library.
Prior to this, it seemed like each time I loaded the BIABVSTi in Reaper, I had to set the Preferences to the "R drive". That is no longer the case - the Preferences now shows the correct R drive path.
The Drag/Drop into separate tracks took only seconds.
And because my latency didn't change using the current method the BIABVSTi uses, I am very happy with the way things are now running.
>> OK, I'll accept that but what exactly does it do for us that simply using D&D doesn't?
- You are working in your DAW, not in two programs at a time.
- The chords you type in your song are saved and opened with your DAW project, not in a separate BB file. If you send a DAW project to your friend, he gets the chords and setup for BiaB as well.
- Settings from the DAW are read in to the plugin. Currently it is just tempo, but we will add more as time goes on. When we add the vst3 version (very soon, in a patch release), it can start to add lots more features. There are lots of cool features that vst3 can do, and they are all on our drawing board.
- It is much simpler to use than BiaB. Remember that many people have asked us for a simple version, and many of these are DAW users unfamiliar with BiaB. Remember the posts about "I showed BiaB to my friend, and he said it looked too complicated". So that's a big plus of it as well. When a DAW user sees a similar chord window popup, with a style selection and a Generate button, it shouldn't get the response "this looks too complicated."
- We expect a new version of the plugin to be released here in a free patch that adds a vst3 and fixes any plugin-not-found by DAW issues. That's in pre-release testing now.
Originally Posted By: rap429
Peter,
I agree with all of the above as great benefits of the plugin but my experience is that tempo is not read when used in ableton(maybe better in other DAW's), render times are very slow when loading a previously created BIAB song and even slower when trying to use multi riff. When the chords are typed into the plugin itself performance is much better but still slower than RB. While maybe not during this patch are these items that are being addressed?
>> OK, I'll accept that but what exactly does it do for us that simply using D&D doesn't?
- You are working in your DAW, not in two programs at a time.
- The chords you type in your song are saved and opened with your DAW project, not in a separate BB file. If you send a DAW project to your friend, he gets the chords and setup for BiaB as well.
- Settings from the DAW are read in to the plugin. Currently it is just tempo, but we will add more as time goes on. When we add the vst3 version (very soon, in a patch release), it can start to add lots more features. There are lots of cool features that vst3 can do, and they are all on our drawing board.
- It is much simpler to use than BiaB. Remember that many people have asked us for a simple version, and many of these are DAW users unfamiliar with BiaB. Remember the posts about "I showed BiaB to my friend, and he said it looked too complicated". So that's a big plus of it as well. When a DAW user sees a similar chord window popup, with a style selection and a Generate button, it shouldn't get the response "this looks too complicated."
- We expect a new version of the plugin to be released here in a free patch that adds a vst3 and fixes any plugin-not-found by DAW issues. That's in pre-release testing now.
Originally Posted By: rap429
Peter,
I agree with all of the above as great benefits of the plugin but my experience is that tempo is not read when used in ableton(maybe better in other DAW's), render times are very slow when loading a previously created BIAB song and even slower when trying to use multi riff. When the chords are typed into the plugin itself performance is much better but still slower than RB. While maybe not during this patch are these items that are being addressed?
What was purpose of looking back to same quote as above?
That's from another thread that gives insight here to what PG is NOW planning (due to all our bad feedback) and what still needs fixing (by your post under). It needs to be as fast as RB in generating.
Sorry just so tired out from all all this testing/posting/replying should of made it clearer. But there should be a 607 update released shortly you can try.
I was interested in the upgrade because of the VST but after reading about all the problems I'm not sure what I'd be purchasing? The longer you leave it between upgrades, the more it costs. So is it better to purchase now, then purchase the next upgrade, and the next, until the VST is solid? Or, wait until the VST is sorted and then just pay a higher amount in a single payment later?
I must admit, it doesn't feel I'd be getting what the marketing man's promising at the moment. And why the -40% purchase before 2019 incentive for? To compensate for the part of the VST that's missing?
...why the -40% purchase before 2019 incentive for?
I think this is offered every December.
FYI, you have over a week to order with the discount and this includes the 30 day money back guarantee, if you aren't satisfied.
I couldn't get the VSTi to run in Reaper when I first received it, but with the help of Pipeline and a few others on this forum, I am up and running with it. (Much like the Reaper forum members)
Although more features will be added over time, it is a good start for now. And if some of the features you need haven't been ported over yet, you can still use BIAB and export/import tracks as before.
..... So is it better to purchase now, then purchase the next upgrade, and the next, until the VST is solid? Or, wait until the VST is sorted and then just pay a higher amount in a single payment later?
....
Only you can answer that question. If you want the new RTs, MIDI styles, or are interested in BiaB 64 bit then yes upgrade. The plus pak has all of the basic new stuff and the bonus paks have the rest. Its cheaper that way.
I was in you shoes a couple of weeks ago. I finally upgraded with the hopes that the VSTi gets straightened out this year. YMMV.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor. It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Sorry just so tired out from all all this testing/posting/replying should of made it clearer. But there should be a 607 update released shortly you can try.
Pipeline,
You have been doing an incredible job! I've been sitting here marvelling at just how much you have been giving people. I don't know how you do it.
As a long time user, I find this thread depressing. For me BIAB has always been like the latest Ferrari.. with many parts held together by string. I tried loading Spectrasonics Keyscape as a VST, and found it doesn't work (again), like many of my other VSTs. I wrote to PG and got no reply. After over a decade of use, I do NOT expect things to work, I still find the whole program obscure and unreliable. At least PG has finally struggled onto the 64 bit about a decade after other DAWS. I never have problems loading VSTs in ANY other program, just this one. I have never succeeded in using my keyboard VST sounds "within" BIAB so that I can actually record as I play along. I find things crash, the set up is obscure and the GUI for VSTs is weird and ad hoc. Tracing MIDI channels though the maze is very tedious and MIDI channel is NOT listed in the mixer, which is basic to any DAW.
My favorites are also continually disappearing (for a decade) for no apparent reason, so I never use these too.
Many of the windows like preferences and midi set up have a Windows 95 feel and are obscure and badly need reorganising
So many things need redesigning. The latest update 625 has fixed a few things, but there are loads more issues that have been around for years
So, all I ever do is load a song and hit play or type in a few chords. Even there, when I loop, it's not visually represented on the chord screen - e have no way of "seeing" the loop. It's just another poorly implemented feature I have got used to. I skipped 2018, and won't buy 2020 unless there is some big positive changes reported by experienced users.
This thread up to your reply was three months old. There has been a huge number of updates since then sorting out many of the 2019 versions teething problems. So if you have been following all the other threads here you should be extremely optimistic about the future of BIAB IMHO.
ryclark your new here, PG always update frequently, but this does not mean they have addressed the fundamental problems som (only some of which I ,mentioned above. My favorites have dissapeared again. I am not going to reply again, like many long time users, I just don't think it's worth it
Not exactly 'new'. I've been around since at least BIAB 2010 and this thread has been particularly about the VST plugin, which has only been in existence this year. So I'm afraid that I don't really understand why you are complaining here not elsewhere?
I looked back through these old post from 5 years back to see if any big changes have happened to the Plugin that users will now use it rather than the usual Biab to DAW method. With all the current section editing of RealTracks in Biab now, that we can't do in the Plugin, is it really worth it ? What is the drawcard of the Plugin now if any 5 years on ?
I for one have lost interest in the Plugin and more interested in all the features now in Biab giving more creative control. Just using Biab with the RewireVST works great and the slaved DAW like Reaper will sync with Biab so no matter what varying tempo map the DAW may have it will sync and the acidized files from Biab with fit the tempo map when dropped into the DAW.
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
..the VST apparently does not recognize frozen tracks insisting instead that it must generate them. Again, this does not make me happy.
I'll play around with it a little more but at this point it seems fairly useless since I can create my songs in BIAB faster with freeze working and then drag them to my Reaper.
What exactly does this VST bring to the party? Oh yeah, multiriffs which I have not tried yet. But I am not hopeful since it has already been reported here several times that they are very slow to generate.
So, back to my old workflow...
1) BIAB 2) Realband if I need multiriffs 3) Reaper
Originally Posted By: gwp99
With any luck, they will evolve this into a real VSTi
Here is my solution - While old school, this actually works pretty well.
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