|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
Thanks in advance for your replies.
Most honestly, I think it's a drum software question. Where shall I focus my learning time to accomplish my 'drum' goals? Also, I guess my question would be, which software to use for what.
This are the riches in my man cave (some were free with the Focusrite Scarlet 2i2):
Band in a Box
Real Band
Bias Amp2
Bias FX2
Amplitube 4
Ableton Live Lite
Focusrite Drum Pack
MT Power Drum Kit
Novation Bass Station
Pro Tools First
Reaper
Syntronik Free
T-RackS 5
various audio plugins
a couple 'intro to music theory' books
access to YouTube & the innerwebs
My goals:
1. learn to play electric guitar (tone, scales, chords)
2. practice playing lead to backing tracks
3. input songs of my own to create backing tracks to practice lead to
4. make a recording of a full song, played by a virtual full band, as I hear it in my head (long term goal)
what I feel most comfortable about:
recording
mixing
effects
chords
what I feel most apprehensive about:
drum tracks creating with software
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,731
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,731 |
Most honestly, I think it's a drum software question. Where shall I focus my learning time to accomplish my 'drum' goals? Also, I guess my question would be, which software to use for what.
You already have BIAB, why not use that to create your drum tracks? BIAB does a great job of building drum tracks with very little effort or knowledge of drums required. Unless I'm not understanding you?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply. Your answer is pretty much exactly what I was looking for: it looks like I can focus my learning on BIAB to accomplish any drum needs I may have.
The damn program can do so much, it's a bit overwhelming. Also a voyage of discovery, learning the program.
Happy tunes!
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,392
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,392 |
BiaB drums are already done for you. As a guy who plays drums, sax, bass, guitar, keys, flute, wind synth and vocals, many of the drum tracks are quite good and for an auto-accompaniment program, I haven't found any better. I have a web page on how I make backing tracks and use them on stage http://www.nortonmusic.com/backing_tracks.html feel free to take what you want and leave the rest. Insights and incites by Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,459
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,459 |
Absolutely....
The way I was introduced to Band in a Box was through a friend in another forum who used it to make his drum tracks. It's super easy to do.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
Oh, man! Thanks, Guitarhacker. The fewer complicated programs I have to learn the better.
NN - I will head right over and sponge all I can. Thank you for the work you put into that.
I did also find a couple YT vidz showing the whole process from writing to uploading a song. Am currently reading the manual some more.
Today I worked on my music reading skills (at this point scarcely any) by trying to enter a melody (chords were easy).
Excited to learn all this!
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,215
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,215 |
Last Wednesday I got a call to recreate the drums that a certain drummer had recorded on a song.
He decided for personal reasons he didn't want to do the drums on this song on the final recording.
After auditioning a few BiaB rock drum styles we found one that fit, and by chance it had pretty much the needed signature drum lead in included in the RD preview!
So we rendered a few different versions in RB, cut and pasted together one final track to get everything just how we wanted using the A section from this track, the B section from that track, fill from another track, etc, and within a couple hours had assembled a pretty much final drum track for a CD that needed to 'resemble' the original.
Granted we got lucky in that one of the fills was almost a perfect match for a section we felt was important.
But if you don't have to 'exact match' a drum part, RDs can get you a long way very quickly.
It only took 2 hours because we really wanted certain fills and we found enough of them that were close and would work to assemble 'what we had in our head' (which was actually what we already had recorded with an actual drummer).
Like I said, it took a little work and a little luck, but the rest of the band was astounded when they heard it.
They were worried they would have to ditch the song, but we fixed the issue with RDs.
Creating a new song is much easier if you can give a little on what you are hearing .. and sometimes what gets generated is actually better than what you were hearing.
Often enough I generate something and think "wow that was nice .. why didn't I think of that?"
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
Wow. That's encouraging. Thanks for that story.
I did experiment with putting in chords and letting biab generate a melody, which wasn't at all what I had in mind but definitely had some passages with good ideas for soloing. I look forward to knowing enough to build a drum part for a whole song.
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,459
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,459 |
Wow. That's encouraging. Thanks for that story.
I did experiment with putting in chords and letting biab generate a melody, which wasn't at all what I had in mind but definitely had some passages with good ideas for soloing. I look forward to knowing enough to build a drum part for a whole song. Remember that you can change the style and the song will sound totally different. There's over 3000 styles to choose from. I used to use the "generate a melody" function for some of my early musings with BB. Mostly jazz based stuff. But now days I have a melody and just use it for the backing tracks to a song I am writing. This is a jazz tune with some live guitar https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=9012413A mellow acoustic based song that was submitted to one of those 16 and pregnant shows https://www.soundclick.com/html5/v4/player.cfm?songID=10085025
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 03/05/19 06:28 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 27 |
(Fender) Squier Vintage Modified '70s Stratocaster
Roland AC-60
Intel i7-7800x @ 3.5GHz, 16 GB RAM, AMD Radeon RX 580, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 with Pro Tools First, BIAS Amp2, Bias FX Pro and BIAB2019 on dedicated 500GB SSD
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.
What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?
XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:
Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,575
Posts781,199
Members39,690
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean