Did you provide a sample sgu/mgu file with frozen tracks as Andrew requested +++ HERE +++ March 08, 2019?
The full name of RealTracks 3211 is "Harmonica, SoloistBluesShuffleFieryLD SW 130". The folder contains 25 audio files. A sample sgu/mgu file will go a long ways toward identifying issues. With a sample file and your notes identifying what bars and beats have issues PG Music support can identify what audio the program selected. With that in mind, emailing a sample sgu file is definitely the next step forward toward resolution.
Email to "support@pgmusic.com". Make sure in the email header indicates the email is about an issue with RealTracks 3211, "Harmonica, SoloistBluesShuffleFieryLD SW 130". I would indicate that Andrew requested the sample sgu file and provide a link to this thread. I would also include whatever notes you made regarding which bars and beats have issues.
However, I suspect there may be another possibility. When I used the RealTracks Picker I noticed RealTracks 3211 is one of 10 RealTracks included in RealTracks set 303. When I read the memo notes for the RealTracks I keep seeing terms like "blistering", "fiery" and "gritty". I translate those words to loosely mean "distorted", "full of runs" and "more distortion".
I'm wondering if the issue isn't more that you don't agree with the production guidelines provided to the artist more than there are errors in the recordings? If you're wanting a smooth, easy blues performance then these RealTracks aren't for you. I remember when this set was first released I wondered aloud in a forum post if the set had any simple variations that weren't so busy and direct input without the distortion.
If the second possibility is what's going on then the next step is to make a wishlist request in the +++ Styles and RealTracks Wishlist +++ section of the forum.
I can read your frustration and desire to have a RealTracks that works for you. I hope my ideas help.
Last edited by Jim Fogle; 06/27/1905:14 AM. Reason: Added screen shot
I agree, this soloist is not for me either. Way too busy. I just auditioned all the soloist tracks by LD Miller and he's way too busy and choppy on all of them even the slow ones at 80. Not soulful blues at all. This is just me listening to the demo's in the RT Picker. Then I set up a 12 bar blues in Biab and tried different keys and tempos. I've never had a guy play harp in a blues band sound like this. There are so many different styles of blues from all over the world now who knows what's considered good? I'm sure LD must be considered a great player but if this is really his style it's not for me.
To Nigel I don't think there's anything wrong with these tracks from a production pov, they're just not what you're looking for in a harp player and I agree with you. If LD sat in with me and played like that I'd give him one song then say "Thanks for sitting in man, see ya around".
It just so happens I'm working on a 12 bar 130 bpm I-IV-V shuffle at the moment, using mostly _COOKIN.STY. I dropped in that realtrack 3211 and you are right, it doesn't work. Maybe the part of the realtrack that determines what riffs to play for each chord is wrong??
It must have gotten fixed with a realtracks patch. When I first tried it it was definitely playing wrong notes, notes that didn't fit the chords. Tried it again just now on the same song and it is fine. Sounds pretty good actually as far as the notes he is playing.
A bit too busy for my tastes, but a lot of modern blues guitarists strike me as too busy also. To each his own
I agree, this soloist is not for me either. Way too busy. I just auditioned all the soloist tracks by LD Miller and he's way too busy and choppy on all of them even the slow ones at 80. ...
Bob
I didn’t listen and have no opinion on this genre but your use of the term ‘choppy’ caught my eye. If that’s choppy playing, that’s just his style, but if it’s choppy stitching together phrases by BIAB, I wonder if trying that RealTrack at a timebase of half-time would sound more pleasing? Just a thought for an experiment.
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Dave is right the RT is ok the phrases stitch together well enough. Rereading Nigels original post there's no out of tune problems or wrong notes so an update must have fixed those issues.
Thanks for all your excellent comments - high quality as always.
You are all correct:
1. PG Music has largely fixed the errors with the LD Miller set of recordings.
2. It is a lack of direction and production guidelines.
What I hope will happen from raising this matter is that PG Music will take more care with future live recordings of fine musicians by giving them more musical direction e.g.
1. Please play in the style of XXX while adding your own character. Here is a list of musicians playing in the required style as a guideline.
2. Please remember that our clients will require reasonably straight forward, top quality phrasing and production to suit the widest range of tastes and musical applications.
NB All musicians appreciate clear and well thought out guidelines from expert musical directors.
The answer is to get LD Miller back in the studio. He is clearly a talented musician he just needs guidance.
I trust this is of assistance PG Music.
Best Regards
Nigel Spiers Christchurch, New Zealand info@nzacoustics.com
No one but PG Music and the musicians know what directions and guidelines the musicians are given. Our best hints are the RealTracks names, audio compilations and memo notes.
In this case, read through the RealTrack names and memo notes and I think you may concur the musician followed directions and guidelines. There is a reason the RealTrack has "fiery" in the track name.
RealTracks are amazing but PG Music is creating content that is trying to please a pretty big and diverse world wide audience. Just because this set is not our cup of tea doesn't mean that is true for all users.
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