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Hello, I couldn't find any mention of this on the forum, but when I use the various Oohs and Aahs Realtracks, I often find that there are whole sections of my song where it did not fill in. My songs are usually done in one long "chorus" rather than folded into an X3 ABAB format. I usually start with my intro using the B style, and then go to an A style for the first verse. That shouldn't make any difference, but I just mentioned that for reference. The way I generally use these Realtracks is to substitute them for tracks already in my chosen style. Then I re-generate the song and listen. If it doesn't sound right, I try to do that regeneration again. I assume that others do it the same way. If the song still has gaps where the singers should be Oohing, I give up and render it to a wav file, anyway. In the case I'm referring to, the track generated fine in the intro and 1st verse, then when it generated the chorus portion it did 4 or 5 measures, then skipped two in a row. Most of the rest of the song was fine except for one more measure that it didn't generate sound for. I compensated by chopping up parts of the rendered wav file in my DAW to fill in the gaps, but this is time consuming and shouldn't be happening anyway, to my thinking. If anyone else has had this and knows what I may be doing wrong, please let me know. I really love these vocal tracks and have (over)used them in all my songs lately. And now I see there are more available!  Thanks! g33zrj1m (Jim Francisco)
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Hi Jim, It would help if you freeze the tracks of a song project that has the issue and then post the MGU or SGU song file so others can verify the issue or offer suggestions to fix the issue. An alternative would be to send the song file to support@pgmusic.com along with a description of which bars the issue happens. I have not experienced the issue and do not remember seeing any posts complaining of gaps in the Ohs & Ahs RealTracks. Also, if you haven't done so, you may want to download and install build 625 of Band-in-a-Box and the February 11, 2019 RealTracks update. The BiaB build 625 update is available +++ HERE +++. The RealTracks update is available +++ HERE +++
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I haven’t experienced this but I just wanted to compliment Jim for a quality reply.
James, what happens when you Regenerate the song? Are the same bars still missing?
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Thanks Jim and Matt,
I haven't downloaded 625 yet nor the Realtracks update. I'll do that today to see if it makes a difference.
Matt, when I regenerate the track it will put the gaps at different places than before, or sometimes if I get lucky (ha! at my age?) it will do every measure fine. Just seems to be random.
After I load the updates, Jim, I will redo one of my songs with the oohs and aahs and if there is still a problem, will do as you suggest.
Thanks for the advice!
Jim Francisco
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JIm, Matt,
I did already have update 625 after all... but did NOT have the last Realtracks update. I installed that and ran my song file with the Oohs and Aahs Background Pop... and while it seemed to leave a bit of a delay on some measures, it did play in each one.
So, at this time I'm not sure if the Realtracks update took care of the problem (this issue was not mentioned in the update info), or if it's just one of the lucky times that I got all of the measures covered.
I'll just have to wait and see on this, and if there are more issues with it, I'll seek assistance at that time.
Thank you both very much for your help! I do appreciate it!
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Jim, after generating, if you get it sounding right, the way you like it (or at least acceptable), freeze the track then save the song.
That way, it will be reproducible each time.
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James, I investigated a little more and found a note about RealTrack audio gaps in the Build 622 notes. The note offers more suggestions you may find of use. RealTracks generation is improved. Silent gaps between riffs are now filled when necessary, giving a more legato sound to instruments that need it. This feature is on by default, but can be disabled by unchecking "Automatically fill gaps between riffs" in the RealTracks Settings window. The setting can also just be disabled for individual RealTracks by going to the Soloist window > Edit > More... and unchecking "Fill riff gaps automatically". is a link to the updates. Scroll down the page to Build 622 and the quote is copied from the first Improvement note. Also, builds are cumulative back to a certain point. In this instance the current Build 625 includes RealTrack improvements back to the February 11, 2019 RealTracks update. In other words, the Build 625 update assumes the February 11, 2019 RealTracks patch is installed. Because of that assumption I would install the February 11, 2019 RealTracks update first then install Build 625. I don't feel comfortable installing an older patch over a newer patch in this case since both involve RealTrack updates.
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Thanks VideoTrack and Jim Fogle, both of you have given me good advice.
In the past I have never used the "freeze track" option, but I will going forward.
As for the updates, since I have now installed them both, the only thing I can do is keep an eye on things and go from there.
Thanks so much. As much as I appreciate BIAB in general, it's this forum which really gives value to the product, at least as far as support goes. Great ideas abound!
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I've experienced certain RTs going "haywire" at times... so, I also find the best one after regenerating, freezing the particular track works like a charm. VideoTrack is right on the button with his suggestion.
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Couldn't get back to this until now - played a concert - and again, Jim has the answer I would have given. Certain RealTracks can have errors of programming that can be fixed, and each RealTracks update apparently includes some like that. This is why it's important to report by freezing the song and emailing it to Support.
I've also noticed many patches fix things that we never even saw or reported; PG Music often finds the bugs on their own.
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Thanks again. Guess I'll be freezing tracks from now on... which should be a normal thing for me, since I live in the frigid north country where everything else is freezing! lol
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Hi James, The vocal tracks are a huge one for me, and while I never discovered the choppiness to the extent you described, I made a video addressing pretty much exactly this issue, and how to resolve it for the most part. I'm curious to know if it works for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUBNZvNAjzkIf you do give it a shot, please update and let us know whether or not it worked. Deacon
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I would imagine that with vocal tracks the issue would be more evident than say a finger picked guitar where any gap would be hard to detect. Because there are natural gaps between notes. With vocals especially oohs and aahs there is not a infinite time one can hold that note naturally. So “ooh” duration would be an issue.
If per say one had a series of bars where there was a chord progression, and we wanted a vocal background track of “oohs” to start at the beginning of the measure or bar and end near the end so it sounds more natural, like the singers were taking a breath. What about opening the song up in a full DAW, and lining up each “ooh” to the start of each bar or measure. Then so many tools can come into play. Copy and paste, snap to grid, etc.
Maybe this does not help at all, and it’s just me musings over your issue. Thinking out loud here.
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DeaconBlues09 and RobH,
Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but was offline for a couple days.
I haven't been able to watch your video yet, Deacon, because my internet is so slow that it won't even play it at this point. I'll try again later with a different computer. But from reading some of the comments about the video it looks like you're using a medley feature? I'll have to do some studying on that as I've never used it before.
RobH, you're right that the vocal oohs and aahs stick out a lot... especially the aahs as they are higher in pitch and a bit louder to go along with the B part of the song. But the big thing for me was that they would skip several measures altogether, which made a BIG hole in the sound.
It's still happening, but it appears to only be with 2975: Vocal Oohs-Aahs, Rhythm Pop3-part Ev 085 (David Wise and Shelly Justice). I think there is only one of those. The companion Realtrack labeled "background" oohs and aahs, doesn't seem to have that problem.
As mentioned before, I have been able to work around it by cutting and pasting in Reaper, but it's a bit time-consuming.
I'll try to watch that video and see if what you're describing will help in this situation, Deacon.
Thanks to both of you for the tips!
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DeaconBlues09,
I was finally able to watch your video. Great ideas in there. What I do to compensate for the oddities of the Ooh/Aah tracks is pretty much the same idea, but done in a different way.
I usually start off with a standard style, like Park Avenue Soul or something... which has only the standard bass, drums, and two guitar tracks or maybe a piano track.
After I get everything the way I want it, I drag/drop those tracks to acidized wave files and import them to Reaper. Then I go back and put the ooh/aah tracks on the same style I had been using before, but in the place of the piano and guitars.
That will give me 3 tracks of ooh/aahs. I use a combination of the "rhythm" and "background" versions of this, so that one will fill in where the other leaves a gap.
I then drag/drop these ooh/aah tracks to acidized wav files and import them also to Reaper.
If one or more have substantial gaps (which often happens to the "rhythm" one), then I cut and paste within that track to fill it in... inside Reaper.
When mixed into the background and given a bit of reverb, the combination is quite smooth.
I would just like to have the one "rhythm" ooh/aah NOT leave so many empty measures. But it looks like I may have to continue to repair the tracks like I have been.
Thanks for the great video, though. I learned some ways of doing things I didn't know before!
Jim
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