|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50
Enthusiast
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50 |
Is it possible to use the Band in A Box VST within Realband?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730 |
Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,114
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,114 |
Hi Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more. Yes me to Rob why? Mike
BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071 |
Hi Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more. Yes me to Rob why? Mike RB = RealBand?
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50 |
Does Realband really do everything the BAIB plugin does? Have the features on the plugin been severely cut back in comparison to the full BAIB program?
I haven't used the plugin, but I was assuming the plugin would have the Melodist, and control over the soloist (Fill-ins, influence by melody, play around melody etc) which Realband doesn't seem to have.
Doesn't the plugin of Band in A Box have these features that the full program does? Or does Realband have them, and I've missed them?
Last edited by looperboy; 04/05/19 09:53 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891 |
Does Realband really do everything the BAIB plugin does? Have the features on the plugin been severely cut back in comparison to the full BAIB program?
I haven't used the plugin, but I was assuming the plugin would have the Melodist, and control over the soloist (Fill-ins, influence by melody, play around melody etc) which Realband doesn't seem to have.
Doesn't the plugin of Band in A Box have these features that the full program does? Or does Realband have them, and I've missed them? The plugin is a very light version of BIAB so I doubt it has any of the features you listed. It does have one feature BIAB does not and that is Multiriff generation. But RealBand already has that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50
Enthusiast
|
|
OP
Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2019
Posts: 50 |
Ah, Thanks John. I didn't realize the plugin was stripped back in its features. In that case, there wouldn't be much point in opening it as a VST in Realband.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697 |
Exactly and having Real Band is one reason I have not been a big fan of all the time and effort that went into creating the VST in the first place. I can kinda see the point of it but RB is already sitting there ready to go. To me they should have focused on making RB an overall better DAW, not creating a brand new and very buggy VST. I asked the same question you did during testing, is this VST some sort of Biab Lite and the answer was yes, that's exactly what it is. I responded back that if the VST has Biab in it's name people are going to expect full functionality so again, why?
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730 |
Bob, I understand what you are saying, but think you kind of miss the whole point of this plugin. If the VSTi has every feature of BiaB then it wouldn’t be a plugin. It would be a full program and we already have that. The whole concept was to have the basic generation features of Biab and RB to use inside an DAW.
There are literally thousand if not millions of users out there who will not ever use RB because they like the workflow in their DAW of choice, be it protools, BandLab, reaper, studio one, Cubase, you name it. The plugin allow thes people to create tracks to add into projects with ease that would be much harder any other way. If they need to use melodist, harmonists, and a plethora of other options then start in BiaB. If you need to generate a basic track, or add a mandolin or Celtic fiddle or what ever boom open the plugin and go to work.
I would like to see RB advance also but to get it to the level of say studio one would take some major recoding. Maybe someday. But one of the big asks was to have a plugin of Biab to add those basic features to high end DAWs. Now there is one. This has the potential to bring in many new users to PGM using the anti on future development.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697 |
I completely get the marketing side of this and agree that PG needs to find a way to bring new, younger folks into the fold. Once all of us classic rock/jazz/country/folk types leave the stage, who's going to buy Biab? Right now I'm guessing the average age of forum users is around 60. If a millennial were to drop in here I doubt they would stay long, this forum looks like it's for grandpa to mess around with ancient music to them.
Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program.
I think that would have been a smarter move, then move on to the VST which after a complete rewrite probably could have rolled out as a much better plugin.
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,730 |
There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul.
Still I’m glad the plugin is here. Maybe next year it will get small updates and BiaB, and RB will get the attention they deserve.
64 bit is a cool update, now address some of the big issues.
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB/RB 2026, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 11 , Presonus Audiobox USB96
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891 |
I completely get the marketing side of this and agree that PG needs to find a way to bring new, younger folks into the fold. Once all of us classic rock/jazz/country/folk types leave the stage, who's going to buy Biab? Right now I'm guessing the average age of forum users is around 60. If a millennial were to drop in here I doubt they would stay long, this forum looks like it's for grandpa to mess around with ancient music to them. This is spot on. Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program. Agree 100%. However, based on the scope of the yearly updates and the issues with the plugin rollout, I doubt they have the team in place (size, experience, etc.) to accomplish this.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891 |
There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul. I disagree. They should focus their limited resources on what they excel at like RealTracks! Being a me-too player with an inferior DAW in a field that is already crowded with excellent products is a losing proposition. RealBand will never be as functional, responsive, modern, etc. as products like Reaper that are being constantly upgraded as we speak. Reaper added 64 bit support 11 years ago! My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel. Maybe even take a bold step like licensing Reaper or another DAW to be delivered with BIAB if they feel they need to deliver a DAW.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071 |
My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel.
Yes maybe, but they would have to add everything RB can do into BiaB before they could even consider putting a hold on RB. They would have to convert BiaB into a fully featured DAW which it currently is not. BiaB currently has so many limitations I don't think this would be possible. My 2cents.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,891 |
My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel.
Yes maybe, but they would have to add everything RB can do into BiaB before they could even consider putting a hold on RB. They would have to convert BiaB into a fully featured DAW which it currently is not. BiaB currently has so many limitations I don't think this would be possible. My 2cents. PG has created the most brilliant tool for making music tracks ever invented! Full stop! BIAB is the best at this and nothing else even comes close! But there is absolutely no reason PG must also build a DAW. That is already being done far better by many vendors. Just improve BIAB and the plugin so that it works well with popular DAWs and spend the saved time improving both!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,071 |
I suppose the biggest requirement would be to do something about the number and length of tracks that are currently supported.
If they did undertake a change, they really need to also review and cater for the regularly requested items (fixes) that are identified in the Wish List.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530 |
................
Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program.
I think that would have been a smarter move, then move on to the VST which after a complete rewrite probably could have rolled out as a much better plugin.
Bob I mostly agree. I am very disappointed in the 64 bit BiaB. I am glad that I can use my 64 bit VSTis but I have the same 32 bit limitations that you have mentioned. I will respectfully disagree with the make BiaB like a modern DAW. I would like to see BiaB become a more functioning modern looking BiaB but I would like to see it stay BiaB and not a DAW. YMMV
The bumper sticker said "I'm a veterinarian, therefore I can drive like an animal".
Suddenly I realized how many proctologists are on the road.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530 |
There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul. I disagree. They should focus their limited resources on what they excel at like RealTracks! Being a me-too player with an inferior DAW in a field that is already crowded with excellent products is a losing proposition. RealBand will never be as functional, responsive, modern, etc. as products like Reaper that are being constantly upgraded as we speak. Reaper added 64 bit support 11 years ago! My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel. Maybe even take a bold step like licensing Reaper or another DAW to be delivered with BIAB if they feel they need to deliver a DAW.
The bumper sticker said "I'm a veterinarian, therefore I can drive like an animal".
Suddenly I realized how many proctologists are on the road.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,530 |
......................
PG has created the most brilliant tool for making music tracks ever invented! Full stop! BIAB is the best at this and nothing else even comes close!
But there is absolutely no reason PG must also build a DAW. That is already being done far better by many vendors. Just improve BIAB and the plugin so that it works well with popular DAWs and spend the saved time improving both!
Last edited by MarioD; 04/08/19 04:18 AM.
The bumper sticker said "I'm a veterinarian, therefore I can drive like an animal".
Suddenly I realized how many proctologists are on the road.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!
If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® users: Build 1237 is now available!
Already a Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows user? Stay up to date and download the build 1237 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.
PowerTracks Pro 2026 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks 2026 is here—bringing powerful new enhancements designed to make your production workflow faster, smoother, and more intuitive than ever.
The enhanced Mixer now shows Track Type and Instrument icons for instant track recognition, while a new grid option simplifies editing views. Non-floating windows adopt a modern title bar style, replacing the legacy blue bar.
The Master Volume is now applied at the end of the audio chain for consistent levels and full-signal master effects.
Tablature now includes a “Save bends when saving XML” option for improved compatibility with PG Music tools. Plus, you can instantly match all track heights with a simple Ctrl-release after resizing, and Add2 chords from MGU/SGU files are now fully supported... and more!
Get started today—first-time packages start at just $49.
Already using PowerTracks Pro Audio? Upgrade for as little as $29 and enjoy the latest improvements!
Order now!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Windows Special Offers End Tomorrow (January 15th, 2026) at 11:59 PM PST!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PST on Thursday, January 15, 2026!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. You can view the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to process an entire track or focus on specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Windows to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® Special Offers Extended Until January 15, 2026!
Good news! You still have time to upgrade to the latest version of Band-in-a-Box® for Windows® and save. Our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® special now runs through January 15, 2025!
We've packed Band-in-a-Box® 2026 with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can process an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PST on January 15th, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows® today! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.
Happy New Year!
Thank you for being part of the Band-in-a-Box® community.
Wishing you and yours a very happy 2026—Happy New Year from all of us at PG Music!
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,050
Posts799,405
Members40,019
| |
Most Online44,367
Mar 4th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean