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Is it possible to use the Band in A Box VST within Realband?
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Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more.
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Hi Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more. Yes me to Rob why? Mike
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Hi Yes just make sure that you use the 32 bit version. I must ask why though? RB already does everything the plugin does and more. Yes me to Rob why? Mike RB = RealBand?
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Does Realband really do everything the BAIB plugin does? Have the features on the plugin been severely cut back in comparison to the full BAIB program?
I haven't used the plugin, but I was assuming the plugin would have the Melodist, and control over the soloist (Fill-ins, influence by melody, play around melody etc) which Realband doesn't seem to have.
Doesn't the plugin of Band in A Box have these features that the full program does? Or does Realband have them, and I've missed them?
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Does Realband really do everything the BAIB plugin does? Have the features on the plugin been severely cut back in comparison to the full BAIB program?
I haven't used the plugin, but I was assuming the plugin would have the Melodist, and control over the soloist (Fill-ins, influence by melody, play around melody etc) which Realband doesn't seem to have.
Doesn't the plugin of Band in A Box have these features that the full program does? Or does Realband have them, and I've missed them? The plugin is a very light version of BIAB so I doubt it has any of the features you listed. It does have one feature BIAB does not and that is Multiriff generation. But RealBand already has that.
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Ah, Thanks John. I didn't realize the plugin was stripped back in its features. In that case, there wouldn't be much point in opening it as a VST in Realband.
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Exactly and having Real Band is one reason I have not been a big fan of all the time and effort that went into creating the VST in the first place. I can kinda see the point of it but RB is already sitting there ready to go. To me they should have focused on making RB an overall better DAW, not creating a brand new and very buggy VST. I asked the same question you did during testing, is this VST some sort of Biab Lite and the answer was yes, that's exactly what it is. I responded back that if the VST has Biab in it's name people are going to expect full functionality so again, why?
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Bob, I understand what you are saying, but think you kind of miss the whole point of this plugin. If the VSTi has every feature of BiaB then it wouldn’t be a plugin. It would be a full program and we already have that. The whole concept was to have the basic generation features of Biab and RB to use inside an DAW.
There are literally thousand if not millions of users out there who will not ever use RB because they like the workflow in their DAW of choice, be it protools, BandLab, reaper, studio one, Cubase, you name it. The plugin allow thes people to create tracks to add into projects with ease that would be much harder any other way. If they need to use melodist, harmonists, and a plethora of other options then start in BiaB. If you need to generate a basic track, or add a mandolin or Celtic fiddle or what ever boom open the plugin and go to work.
I would like to see RB advance also but to get it to the level of say studio one would take some major recoding. Maybe someday. But one of the big asks was to have a plugin of Biab to add those basic features to high end DAWs. Now there is one. This has the potential to bring in many new users to PGM using the anti on future development.
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I completely get the marketing side of this and agree that PG needs to find a way to bring new, younger folks into the fold. Once all of us classic rock/jazz/country/folk types leave the stage, who's going to buy Biab? Right now I'm guessing the average age of forum users is around 60. If a millennial were to drop in here I doubt they would stay long, this forum looks like it's for grandpa to mess around with ancient music to them.
Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program.
I think that would have been a smarter move, then move on to the VST which after a complete rewrite probably could have rolled out as a much better plugin.
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There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul.
Still I’m glad the plugin is here. Maybe next year it will get small updates and BiaB, and RB will get the attention they deserve.
64 bit is a cool update, now address some of the big issues.
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I completely get the marketing side of this and agree that PG needs to find a way to bring new, younger folks into the fold. Once all of us classic rock/jazz/country/folk types leave the stage, who's going to buy Biab? Right now I'm guessing the average age of forum users is around 60. If a millennial were to drop in here I doubt they would stay long, this forum looks like it's for grandpa to mess around with ancient music to them. This is spot on. Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program. Agree 100%. However, based on the scope of the yearly updates and the issues with the plugin rollout, I doubt they have the team in place (size, experience, etc.) to accomplish this.
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There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul. I disagree. They should focus their limited resources on what they excel at like RealTracks! Being a me-too player with an inferior DAW in a field that is already crowded with excellent products is a losing proposition. RealBand will never be as functional, responsive, modern, etc. as products like Reaper that are being constantly upgraded as we speak. Reaper added 64 bit support 11 years ago! My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel. Maybe even take a bold step like licensing Reaper or another DAW to be delivered with BIAB if they feel they need to deliver a DAW.
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My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel.
Yes maybe, but they would have to add everything RB can do into BiaB before they could even consider putting a hold on RB. They would have to convert BiaB into a fully featured DAW which it currently is not. BiaB currently has so many limitations I don't think this would be possible. My 2cents.
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My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel.
Yes maybe, but they would have to add everything RB can do into BiaB before they could even consider putting a hold on RB. They would have to convert BiaB into a fully featured DAW which it currently is not. BiaB currently has so many limitations I don't think this would be possible. My 2cents. PG has created the most brilliant tool for making music tracks ever invented! Full stop! BIAB is the best at this and nothing else even comes close! But there is absolutely no reason PG must also build a DAW. That is already being done far better by many vendors. Just improve BIAB and the plugin so that it works well with popular DAWs and spend the saved time improving both!
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I suppose the biggest requirement would be to do something about the number and length of tracks that are currently supported.
If they did undertake a change, they really need to also review and cater for the regularly requested items (fixes) that are identified in the Wish List.
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Having said that I still think all the many long term requests and irritations of Biab should have addressed first, clean everything up, make it visually look like a modern DAW before doing all of this 64 bit and VST stuff. I was surprised to learn that they were able to compile Biab to 64 bit without having to rewrite the basic code. IMHO it should have been rewritten to address so many long term issues like the 255 bar limit, 4 chords per bar, correct usage of time sigs and so many other things that hold the program back. Then speaking of marketing, make the thing look like a modern DAW rather than a 30 year old DOS program.
I think that would have been a smarter move, then move on to the VST which after a complete rewrite probably could have rolled out as a much better plugin.
Bob I mostly agree. I am very disappointed in the 64 bit BiaB. I am glad that I can use my 64 bit VSTis but I have the same 32 bit limitations that you have mentioned. I will respectfully disagree with the make BiaB like a modern DAW. I would like to see BiaB become a more functioning modern looking BiaB but I would like to see it stay BiaB and not a DAW. YMMV
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There is certainly some wisdom in your views. I have often thought that if they took a long hard look at RB and started a complete rewrite to make it more in line with Main stream DAWs it would be a great benefit to them. RB in basic functionality, setting aside the RD/RT generation feature is really not that much different from PT from 20 years ago. It could use a full overhaul. I disagree. They should focus their limited resources on what they excel at like RealTracks! Being a me-too player with an inferior DAW in a field that is already crowded with excellent products is a losing proposition. RealBand will never be as functional, responsive, modern, etc. as products like Reaper that are being constantly upgraded as we speak. Reaper added 64 bit support 11 years ago! My advice would be to freeze RB as a legacy product and add multiriff support to BIAB. Then focus on updating BIAB in future versions and continue to develop the plugin in parallel. Maybe even take a bold step like licensing Reaper or another DAW to be delivered with BIAB if they feel they need to deliver a DAW. I agree.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
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PG has created the most brilliant tool for making music tracks ever invented! Full stop! BIAB is the best at this and nothing else even comes close!
But there is absolutely no reason PG must also build a DAW. That is already being done far better by many vendors. Just improve BIAB and the plugin so that it works well with popular DAWs and spend the saved time improving both! Again I completely agree with you.
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New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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