Any one found a solution for the sometimes blurry fonts (not always) with some programs and GUIs of various VST plugins, using a 4k, 3,840 × 2,160 Ultra HD monitor? PS also with this forum, but not on all pages .... see picture
I tried it, both with HDMI or Display Port 1.2 connections; no improvement ... it seems that windows 10 is not there yet, as there are no problems with Windows 8 and older.
That's rather presumptuous and very probably unfair.
There can be many reasons why things don't happen as we wish. I've worked in development all my life (not with PGM) and I can tell you that most developers work their socks off trying to achieve the best they can. It's what drives most of us.
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That's rather presumptuous and very probably unfair.
There can be many reasons why things don't happen as we wish. I've worked in development all my life (not with PGM) and I can tell you that most developers work their socks off trying to achieve the best they can. It's what drives most of us.
I agree. I worked in research and I know what you are saying. I also did some programing and wrote a number of Lotus 123 and Excel macros. I cringe every time someone says that should be easy to do. Only the programmers know if it is easy or not. Many times what looks easy is very hard or impossible to implement. YMMV
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I agree. I worked in research and I know what you are saying.
How about this for an example.
We were developing a product and an apparently useful feature would just "drop out of the design" for zero effort and the marketing guys thought it was a great feature.
Part way through the development that decided they didn't want it. They were quite certain, they definitely did not want the feature. "If I told you it was already there, would you still not want it?". Correct! We don't want it.
Some months later they asked for us to "add that feature now". I was a bit put out. "Why on Earth did you say you didn't want it if you were going to ask us for it later?"
"We didn't want it to slow down release of the initial product"
"But it was inherent in the design ... we had two guys working for three weeks stopping it from working because you said you really, really, didn't want it!".
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11 BIAB2025 Audiophile, a bunch of other software. Kawai MP6, Ui24R, Focusrite Saffire Pro40 and Scarletts .
Any one found a solution for the sometimes blurry fonts (not always) with some programs and GUIs of various VST plugins, using a 4k, 3,840 × 2,160 Ultra HD monitor? PS also with this forum, but not on all pages .... see picture
I tried it, both with HDMI or Display Port 1.2 connections; no improvement ... it seems that windows 10 is not there yet, as there are no problems with Windows 8 and older.
In your screenshot example both sets of text look fine to me, though funny enough the "blurry" ones look clearer to me than the "sharp" ones. This might have something to do with subpixel font smoothing.
In short, subpixel smoothing works by virtue of how LCD's display pixels - typically a single pixel is a combination of a Red, Green, and Blue subpixel (usually in that order) - normal rendering uses only the subpixels in each pixel to render the image, while subpixel rendering uses the adjacent red or blue pixels (and occasionally the middle green one) to basically triple the horizontal resolution of the image. This tends to work well, because most monitors arrange the pixels from left to right as Red Green Blue.
Now that's all fine and good, but what if your display isn't RGB but rather BRG or BGR? Then you have to make some adjustments to how Windows calculates it's subpixel rendering. This article will show you how: https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/adjust-cleartype-windows-10
Now even if your monitor is RGB, the previous link may help as it also can control the strength of the smoothing effect, or can allow you to disable it. Only your eyes can be the judge of what looks best.
Right, which is why this isn't an easy question to figure out. I can guarantee this has nothing or little to do with Windows so don't jump on the Microsoft is crap bandwagon which so many are eager to do.
The biggest thing I've found is how good is the upscaling in the display itself. It's a 4K monitor but very little of what you do on your system is in native 4K, it's more likely 1080P. With no upscaling a 1080P signal would display as 1/4 of your screen space. Think about it, it's software in your TV that blows up that 1080P signal to four times its size. If it's weak ie cheap software, text is blurry. Read detailed reviews of new big screen TV's and you'll see quite a bit is about the upscaling quality and it's all proprietary, Sony has theirs and it's one of the best. The cheaper TV's don't have that. You can now buy 60" TV's for $500 but the upscaling is crap.
P.S. - This is a nearly 2 year old post that a new user recently resurrected. I'm not sure the original poster needs assistance any longer. That person hasn't logged on in over a month.
Right, which is why this isn't an easy question to figure out. I can guarantee this has nothing or little to do with Windows so don't jump on the Microsoft is crap bandwagon which so many are eager to do.
The biggest thing I've found is how good is the upscaling in the display itself. It's a 4K monitor but very little of what you do on your system is in native 4K, it's more likely 1080P. With no upscaling a 1080P signal would display as 1/4 of your screen space. Think about it, it's software in your TV that blows up that 1080P signal to four times its size. If it's weak ie cheap software, text is blurry. Read detailed reviews of new big screen TV's and you'll see quite a bit is about the upscaling quality and it's all proprietary, Sony has theirs and it's one of the best. The cheaper TV's don't have that. You can now buy 60" TV's for $500 but the upscaling is crap.
Bob
As someone who plays vintage video games where the resolution can be as low as 256x240, I agree that a good quality upscaler is necessary. Thankfully when using a computer with a decent video card, it's possible to have the video card do the upscaling rather than the screen. This isn't specific to video games, it's a function of the graphics driver, though not all drivers have it.
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P.S. - This is a nearly 2 year old post that a new user recently resurrected. I'm not sure the original poster needs assistance any longer. That person hasn't logged on in over a month.
Simon, I have not bought a video card in years. BIAB doesn’t require a good one and neither do any of my other music programs, so I use an Intel CPU with integrated graphics. What is the spec to look for here, to determine a good upscaling card?
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Simon, I have not bought a video card in years. BIAB doesn’t require a good one and neither do any of my other music programs, so I use an Intel CPU with integrated graphics. What is the spec to look for here, to determine a good upscaling card?
I'm not all that certain, since I'm mostly a Mac guy, and scaling is basically flawless there - they render the whole desktop/OS/everything at double or triple the intended resolution then scale it down to your screen. Basically, my Macbook's screen is 2560x1600, but if I set the display to 1680x1050 it'll actually render at 3360x2100 and scale it down.
In Windows I think it's all done via the graphics drivers, so theoretically any reasonable card should do it. I know AMD has that in theirs, and probably Nvidia too. I'd also wager that the better Intel graphics have it as well, probably in the Intel Iris series, but that would basically require a whole new computer as it's built into the CPU. That's all conjecture though, I don't know for sure.
The point you brought up Simon is a good one. Does a video card have the same quality of TV upscaling as a high quality TV? I have no idea but here's a link to the AVS Forum talking about it. The cliff notes version seems to be nobody knows because there's been no comparison testing.
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