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I often feel reading here that folks are treating BB/RB as if it was Abbey Road.So much seems aimed at the Toys For Boys Brigade.
Apart from the new RTs and Packs what is there in 2020 to make EASIER the life of an"Arranger"who simply wants to create backings from Styles by tapping in the chords on screen?It sounds great to have 50 NEW features but have they fixed ANY of the back catalogue of existing niggles becasue I cant see it mentioned anywhere?
I have $227 resting on an honest answer
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Hi Wendy. You are correct that the main reason to update each year would be content, the new RealTracks and styles. I've extracted three of the newer features that I think will make the most impact:

There are enhancements to RealTracks (Smoother Sounding Vocal RealTracks, RealTracks Thickening, "Find-a-Sub" RealTracks, and MultiRiffs).

Equalize Tempo allows changing a recorded legato song to a fixed tempo.

Feature Browser allows the new or "forgetful" user to easily find and use most features/hotkeys/docs from a single window.


The niggles of which you speak, assuming that means things like 4 chords/bar, 255 measure limit, etc. are to my knowledge unchanged. However, the Plugin continues to improve and holds promise to get around some of the limitations we have experienced, such as the number of tracks.


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Hi Wendy

Just to add to what Matt said. Other great new features include Multiriffs which was previously only in the vst plugin and RealBand. This is a way of easily producing 7 different versions of a RealTrack at one time so that you can choose the one which suits your song best. You also cut and paste from any of them to produce your ideal take. Very useful for guitar solos or similar. Another feature is ‘Find a Sub’ ideal method to quickly find alternative RealTracks to the one you have chosen if your choice is nearly right then ‘Find a Sub’ will locate similar-sounding RealTracks to choose from.

I think there’s plenty of features to suit a wide variety of needs

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RealBand has multi-riff. The Band-in-a-Box plug-in has multi-riff. 2020 Band-in-a-Box has multi-riff.

Wendy, if you haven't used RealBand or the plug-in you may be wondering what multi-riff is and how it will help the simple user.

Multi-riff is multiple, simultaneous generations of a RealTrack. If you've ever had to generate a track more than once to obtain a track you like multi-riff will save you time.

Imagine using a saxophone RealTrack and you don't like the way it plays a fill. In the past you generated the whole saxophone track losing the good parts. Now, you can generate seven riff variations all using the same RealTracks. Plus since you select what bars generate, the original parts of the track that you like remain. Seven generations in the time it use to take to do one plus you keep the good. Big time saver.


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Besides all the other new items, the Multi-Riff is possibly the best and likely to be the most widely used new feature in 2020.

The new RealTracks and Styles are always worth having IMHO.


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Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.


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<< Apart from the new RTs and Packs what is there in 2020 to make EASIER the life of an "Arranger" who simply wants to create backings from Styles by tapping in the chords on screen? >>

The simple task of selecting styles and inputting chords is still available. Aside from the new RT's and Paks (Styles) don't really make use easier, what I've found both with 2019 and now 2020 is a reemphasis and updating of existing tools and techniques that are particularly useful for the simple and not so simple arrangers that use BIAB. In past versions, it seems these tools and techniques haven't been well known or otherwise widely used.

Explore and implement them into your workflow. Using BIAB in it's most basic format of entering chords, selecting a style and key, hitting play and rendering a song is always going to provide an adequate, average and predictable result. Many times it also results in a song with repetitious and recognizable riffs and earns BIAB a reputation of creating sub standard and cheesy karaoke. It's similar to having a DSLR digital camera and never taking it out of Auto Mode. Reality is a great picture taken in auto mode is an accident and the same can be said of BIAB - a great song in BIAB done on autopilot is likely an accident. Auto mode is based on averaging.

BIAB is capable of producing very complex and dynamic arrangements even by novice users and elaborate pieces can be constructed and rendered using only BIAB without the need to export to a DAW and BIAB will do all the heavy lifting.

The life of an arranger can be made easier by utilizing multiple instruments on each track. In the mixer, each channel can have up to 10 instruments. Using this feature in conjunction with bar settings (F5), very complex arrangements can be easily achieved. Possibilities are nearly limitless and a book could nearly be written just on different techniques to apply here. The results are comparable to overdubbing and punching in.

The life of an arranger can be made easier by using the overdub and punch in features in audio recording. High quality audio layers can be constructed from the Record Audio menu.

The life of an arranger can be made easier by learning the benefits and uses of bouncing sub mixes using Performance Tracks and the Audio Track. Bouncing has been around since the earliest days of multi track recorders. There have been books written on bouncing and sub mixes and these techniques can be used with the BIAB mixer. It's not difficult to learn or use.

The life of an arranger can be made easier by starting mixes with midi styles or files to integrate with song construction and arrangement using the above techniques.

PG Staff developers have set the stage for arrangers of every skill level to take BIAB productions up to the next level or beyond and make it easier than it's ever been.


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.


What sort of issues have you come across Dan?


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Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.

I was thinking the exact same thing!

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Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.

I was thinking the exact same thing!


It doesn't work the same as in RB.

It replaces all of the channels with the seven multi riff generations and saves the WAV files into the Drop Box Folder.

The thought is that most users will plan to move and use the multi-riffs in a DAW rather than in BIAB

The multi-riffs can be used in BIAB but there are several steps to import the audio back into BIAB

After generating the Multi Riffs, Ctrl-Z returns the channels back to the project instruments.


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Wendy,

I'm basically in the 'arranger' category too and for me, new versions of BIAB are always about the new Realtracks, Realdrums and MIDI Supertracks... everything else is a bonus. I could never afford to play the musicians who do all these recordings that BIAB creates.

By the way, I'm not sure that you'll need to spend $227. If you have BIAB 2019 UltraPak or UltraPak+, the PlusPAK for $99 will give you all the new content to update 2019 UltraPak to 2020 UltraPak.

The $49 Pak, XTRA Styles* PAK ($29), LoopsPak ($19) stand outside this as separate purchases.

So all up, if you have UltraPak 2019, you can get everything going for $196.

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Originally Posted By: Brian Hughes
Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.


What sort of issues have you come across Dan?


Thanks for asking. It took me about 30 minutes over the weekend to discover what has now been revealed in this and other threads about the Multiriffs feature. So you know now what I knew then... cry

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A new BIAB is not in the cards for me this year. \

I am a simple user - I don't freeze tracks so every play is a surprise. That's the way BIAB was originally designed, and I do like it that way. Real tracks are great, but enough is enough. The same with styles, midi supertracks and drums. Plugins are beyond my needs (and capabilities) as are Realband, recording and much more. They may thrill some users, but they are not for me.

What I have really needed for years is better printed notation, and I'd even settle for fixing the bugs that have been there for 15 years. But sadly PGM, it seems cannot, or doesn't feel the need to do anything about it. Now there are users who say that BIAB is not a notation program, but notation is a functional component of the product and deserves attention. The last major change was 2004, I think, when fakesheet was introduced (along with a number of errors).

So not enough for me this year, and to be honest, for many years previously. Maybe 2021, maybe.


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Have you guys tried the new MultiRiffs feature in BIAB 2020? Might be best for you to give it a go before you sing its praises too loudly. Just sayin.

I was thinking the exact same thing!


It doesn't work the same as in RB.

It replaces all of the channels with the seven multi riff generations and saves the WAV files into the Drop Box Folder.

The thought is that most users will plan to move and use the multi-riffs in a DAW rather than in BIAB

The multi-riffs can be used in BIAB but there are several steps to import the audio back into BIAB

After generating the Multi Riffs, Ctrl-Z returns the channels back to the project instruments.


I have noticed once the multiriffs are created the green wav icon in the drag and drop box stays lit and will not go off even after deleting the files in the drag and drop folder or selecting New from the file menu. It seems the only way it turns off is restart the program. Is this the normal behavior?


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"Equalize Tempo allows changing a recorded legato song to a fixed tempo." its not as exciting as I'd hoped. i still have to align the bar lines by hand and as the tempo of the track i'm working on isn't too bad as far as tempo variations are concerned i won't use the feature. once i've got the bar lines correct i can use loops and realtracks anyway

I was hoping (maybe madly!) I could just import an mp3 and press 'chords' and the program would sort out the bar lines

maybe next year...............

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Wendy,

I'm basically in the 'arranger' category too and for me, new versions of BIAB are always about the new Realtracks, Realdrums and MIDI Supertracks... everything else is a bonus. I could never afford to play the musicians who do all these recordings that BIAB creates.

By the way, I'm not sure that you'll need to spend $227. If you have BIAB 2019 UltraPak or UltraPak+, the PlusPAK for $99 will give you all the new content to update 2019 UltraPak to 2020 UltraPak.

The $49 Pak, XTRA Styles* PAK ($29), LoopsPak ($19) stand outside this as separate purchases.

So all up, if you have UltraPak 2019, you can get everything going for $196.

Regards,
Noel


Hi Noel and thanks to everyone who posted to my thread.
Me,I like BB as it is so a few tweakeries will be good as long as they dont get in the way of my normal workflow.
My$227 is for Ultra,tha Pack8 and the $49 pack.
Reading above,the 2020 does seem to have a few teething troubles so ill keep my purse closed a few more days whilst they sort it out.But for sure Ill be buiyng 2020.
Thank you all so much and Happy Christmas.
Wendy


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Hi Wendy,

In case it's useful information, I'm finding BIAB 2020 very stable to run.

I've been doing everything I normally do (and more just to make it jump through a few of the new hoops), and the program has not once crashed nor done anything different from BIAB 2019.

Regards,
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BIAB 2020 has been the most stable for me of any recent year BIAB after release.


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I was hoping (maybe madly!) I could just import an mp3 and press 'chords' and the program would sort out the bar lines

maybe next year...............



If certain conditions are present and specific selections made, The BIAB ACW will do exactly that in Version 2020! Exception is there are just a few more steps than pressing 'chords' but not many at all. It may also do it in earlier versions, I have not tested for that.

Here's what I did:

CONDITIONS:

First - This worked for me when I knew the Tempo of the audio recording... It simplifies the process. If necessary, you may need to determine the song tempo first.

. For my test, I constructed my audio file, a strumming acoustic guitar from a RealStyle, _BARD.STY; RT3339
. I constructed a 16 bar Chord Chart from the _BARD.STY demo.
. I generated a WAV of the acoustic Guitar playing the 16 bar Chord Chart
. I notated the 4/4;ev8;120;D for future reference comparisons. I took a whole page screen shot of the BIAB Main Page to compare to the ACW analysis.

PROCESS:

. Using the Open File Icon, I selected Open Audio (wav,wma,mp3,wmv,cd)
. I selected the Audio File I constructed for the test (I had named it Bard Gtr)
. BIAB generated a Yellow Sticky to set the Main Tempo
. Audio\Set Audio Master (Base) Tempo 120 <Enter>
. Confirmed Style Disabled; Start 1; End 16; 2 Bar Ending clicked in Song Settings; Tempo 120; Ev8; 4/4 and Set key to D.
. Selected the Audio Chord Wizard Button from the VIEWS Toolbar
. Activating the ACW changed End measure to 20 and Key to C.
PG Staff will be advised of this. It should be fixed.
. Reset End Measure to 16 and Key to D w/o transpose
. From the ACW Audio Editor Window selected the Analyze Button
. A Menu opened advising No Bar Lines Set and asks if I want the ACW to set bar lines based on the current tempo (which is correctly set at 120bpm)
. Select Yes
. ACW analyzed the Chords and populated the Chord Chart.


I had to make some minor changes to the Chord Chart but it took much longer to write these instructions than it did for the actual process above to run.


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Does the BIAB 64-bits app load/run the 32bits Plugs-in Vts ?


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