hi guys the drop box worked pretty nice for me just imported the file a little more work then in realband however it work for me always hopefull for better ways to cut down work flow time and thanks for always looking for better ways to do our work thanks eric
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Funny how things change. For years now the answer to nooby questions about workflow has been mostly about how people start with Biab then move to a DAW. These forums have been almost as much about about DAW's as it's been about Biab. That's what the big push about making a Biab plugin was all about, the fact that most users use DAW's. I never agreed with that, I think a big percentage of users do not use DAW's, it's just a vocal minority on the forum but the squeaky wheel won out.
So now the DAW users are not happy because they have to move the multiriffs to their DAW's? Really? My question from this is since the plugin already does multiriffs so well why put it into Biab itself if the tracks have to be moved to a DAW anyway?
[quote=Rob Helms] I was really hoping they would do something like this,
1) let me select bars to regenerate 2) bring in 7 riffs 3) let me pick one 4) replace what was previously on those bars with the new RealTrack riffs
This would keep the song intact in native BIAB format with references to the RealTracks. And I could just repeat the process as many times as I want on multiple tracks until I get everything just right before exporting WAVs. Then, when I am ready, I'd move to my DAW.
Alas, it sounds like it will be more complicated that that.
So was I. Wendy
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This may be surprising to some, but I rarely ever use a DAW.
If I'm creating a backing track to play along with, I actually never work outside of BiaB. My workflow remains entirely within BiaB.
For that reason, the Multi-Riff output I select needs to load straight back into the track for it to be usable for me. YMMV.
I don't use a DAW either. I do everything within the confines of BIAB. So, like you, I was a little disappointed Multi-Riffs couldn't be generated and used within the BIAB parameters without outside steps being necessary. I still love the program, but that was disappointing.
I'm with you Al-David and VideoTrack. The original selling point and even the name of the program "Band-In-A-Box" connotes a one stop program that does it all. The past few years it seems that PGMusic is steering us all to use RealBand and a DAW and away from BIAB. Forget all that and improve BIAB. We don't buy BIAB so that we can use it for a paperweight and then use other programs for "real" music.
I try and work out ways to do everything and stay in Biab, I requested being able to drag n drop audio directly into the BB Audio track, you can do that now but it still needs a bit of improvement, and hopefully we will see the same soon with drag n drop midi into the piano roll. Every part of the BB program relies on the standard track set there is, so adding more tracks would be a major all over change. But if they could add some Aux Audio/Midi Tracks that would help, if the Audio tracks could be RealTracks in RAM or not I don't know if there would be any issues with more than 7 tracks in RAM maybe not ? if so they could be just local wav files same as the BB Audio and editable in the Audio Edit windows. But either way I think it would be good to have more AUX Audio Tracks as well.
Would that and bar to bar re-gen be something usable helping you to stay within Biab ???? Or would you like to see....????
I am not a professional. I do this for fun in my spare time, so I will be staying within biab. So, for me at least, there still is no multi-riff. Bar-to-bar re-gen would be a big improvement and you mention that some of these changes would be a major undertaking. I get that. Maybe it's time for a major re-write and discontinue RealBand altogether.
Maybe you could have an AUX button you click at the bottom of the mixer to show the AUX Tracks ? And how many AUX tracks do you need ? In the pic I have 5 RT, 2 Mid and 2 Audio
Here's the video I made ages ago (03/20/2017) showing how to use MultiRiffs in Biab, this is that same way it works now. The Audio Track is your stereo master this is SOLOED, each of the 7 tracks has the same instrument generated on the same bars, you leave the Audio track SOLOED and then SOLO each of the 7 tracks 1 at a time until you find the riff you like.
Another +1 for Multiriffs to be able to be implemented with a bar or bars setting of biab and not having to take it to a DAW.
Shouuld it be necessary for a few extra bars to be regenerated within biab (at the discretion of the software) so that it would sound more musical pleasing to the ear, and not cut off in the middle of a musical phrase, that would be fine with me as well.
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Just incorporate the concept of pages like in the plugin so you have one page for style generation one page for MRiffs and one page for either individual tracks or recorded tracks total of 19 to 21 tracks. Problem solved and then if you need more to mix and master then send to DAW.
For those who want to stay in BiaB this gives them room to create. For me and other who want to work in the flow of a full featured DAW the plugin once all its issues are solved is the perfect solution.
I Have always hated the idea of a full rewrite of BiaB, as we have seen what a major update like 64 bit caused, it literally push both development of Win and Mac deep into the cycle where neither came out fully baked. Small upgrades and tons of RT content is the name of the game here. So something like what I outlined above makes more sense to me.
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Just incorporate the concept of pages like in the plugin so you have one page for style generation one page for MRiffs and one page for either individual tracks or recorded tracks total of 19 to 21 tracks. Problem solved and then if you need more to mix and master then send to DAW.
For those who want to stay in BiaB this gives them room to create. For me and other who want to work in the flow of a full featured DAW the plugin once all its issues are solved is the perfect solution.
Why not open all 16 tracks as I have been wanting PGMusic to do for years. That would give everyone the option to use them as they wish, thus you could use them for multiriffs.
Originally Posted By: Rob Helms
I Have always hated the idea of a full rewrite of BiaB, as we have seen what a major update like 64 bit caused, it literally push both development of Win and Mac deep into the cycle where neither came out fully baked. Small upgrades and tons of RT content is the name of the game here. So something like what I outlined above makes more sense to me.
I am for a complete rewrite. It would include all different time signatures, have more than one MIDI output, along with other improvements. With two MIDI outputs you could have 32 tracks, more than enough to do some complicated RT work.
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Well, in for a penny, in for a pound. Here's my thoughts on the 'basic' form of operation.
(I also need to remind myself that it's early days yet and improvements/changes are possibly likely to be delivered.)
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Well, in for a penny, in for a pound. Here's my thoughts on the 'basic' form of operation.
(I also need to remind myself that it's early days yet and improvements/changes are possibly likely to be delivered.)
This is EXCELLENT! My only suggestion would be to further simplify this by NOT using the 7-track option and just give me one to try and let me click it as many times as I like until I get what I want. This should make the regen much faster since it is only generating one set of riffs instead of 7. So I get my first one 7 times faster. Odds are I'll prolly find something I like short of 7 tries. And this simplifies the interface with no popup MultiRiff screen even needed!
1) I choose the track I want to work on 2) I select bars (maybe even with a restriction of 1 to 8 bars that must be contiguous if that makes development easier) 3) I click the special new Riff Regen button 4) BIAB generates and inserts the generated bars into the bars I selected 5) the Riff Regen button changes to "Retry Riff Regen"
If I like the new riffs I freeze and save my song. If I don't I click Retry Riff Regen and BIAB will 1) restore my track to what it was before the Riff Regen was pressed, 2) select the same bars I had selected and 3) give me new riffs for those bars. I repeat until I am happy.
Well, in for a penny, in for a pound. Here's my thoughts on the 'basic' form of operation.
(I also need to remind myself that it's early days yet and improvements/changes are possibly likely to be delivered.)
This is possible to do now. Trevor's graphic is a visual representation of a track construction I did on an instrumental piece on 10/19/19 and posted in the User Showcase. I didn't do a detailed explanation of the steps to create the track in that post but Trevor's graphic shows the essential elements and does not require the multi riff feature. Depending on the chord structure and the number of riffs the artist wants to create is the only necessary information needed to modify the steps to get to the total number of riffs desired. This can also be accomplished using midi, super midi, RealTracks or recorded audio or a combination of the those types of tracks. Midi and Super midi are rendered to audio for their use on these tracks.
but Trevor's graphic shows the essential elements and does not require the multi riff feature.
There are other ways, but I still believe that most would want the new Multi-Riff feature. Remember that the underlying intention is to enable the user to audition a number of variations of the instrument and choose the one they wish to use.
When I have generated Multi-Riffs in RealBand, I have always listened to every one, and then chosen the one that I prefer. Multi-Riff is required to effectively and efficiently deliver that.
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