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My page long post was deleted twice in this thread.
In essence, I what I said was that it maybe just SLIGHTLY early for prime time hyping? Maybe it is better to wait and fix a "few" things. So when you DO try amplify "marketing" by creating content / blogging etc. it would be met with less resistance from average new user who you are trying to capture and who is less than "open" to idea of imperfections. People's opinions are the key of modern "marketing" and ideally you want to keep the negative number below 5%. What I am afraid is that this might create adverse effect before some issues are resolved.
P.S. Dear moderator(s) my previous and current post relates directly to this topic and your police actions are baseless. I am afraid, I will have to abandon my participation in this forum all together if this continues from your side.
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SLIGHTLY early for prime time hyping? What? BIAB has been on the market for over 20 years. You have to sell it for what it does not how it does it. A good salesman does not sell the steak he sells the sizzle.
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MusicStudent, I think you do not see this clear. Before 2019 I had a feeling that BIAB is on decline as a software. After PG made a decision to go 64bit and introduced VST, a strong feeling of hope was born. May veteran users correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that was one of the biggest software pushes in years. Now, it is relatively small stuff left to do, to make the software more appealing to "average" consumer compared to all the work that was done recently. Sort of: "Cleanup construction debris before inviting future home owners". They might stay in this house for years. When you "sell the sizzle", you might burn a customer's tongue... And that "customer" will scream loudly. And you know those customers, they are always right. I think it is in everyone interest (especially the seller) for a customer to walk away with a product and be happy with it the next morning... and maybe tell a buddy or two about it  To my understanding that is the art of "good" salesman. Not to make a quick coin. P.S. My understanding PG Software was around for 30 years, not 20 as you mentioned.
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I keep hoping the new MIDI standard being developed will at least support chord symbols. MIDI 2.0 is already here. See Details about MIDI 2.0™, MIDI-CI, Profiles and Property Exchange. I had a quick glance at it. Many improvements for interconnectivity and accuracy, but I couldn't find a word about extending the file format with chord or other notation related messages. Masi
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Dan (music student), Misha has a point. The release for 2019 was a biggie, and what many here wanted 64 bit, and the plugin brought a lot of enthusiasm for DAW users. However there are still nagging issues that never got addressed. The windows release last year pushed deep into the development cycle for Mac. Causing Mac release to delay till it pushed into Win 2020. So here we sit with plugin version 2 not fully completed, BiaB just now slowly becoming stable, RB still loaded with small issues. And we begin to push into the Mac cycle again. A never ending circle of incompleteness.
Slowing down to complete the 2019/2020 releases, maybe a fresh face with some GUI clean up would really help. The problem is PGM relies on the upgrade cycles for cash flow revenue to survive. How do we the end user help to end this so start loop? Well my 2 cents worth is this. Don’t ask for too much this year except to complete what is started.
1. Bring the plugin to a solid and useable version with the punch list of bugs knocked out.
2. Slow down the constant feature upgrades in BiaB, and fix a few long asked for bugs/limitations.
3. Give some more RTs, and especially RDs with Real charts.
4. Fix a few nagging issue with RB so it can be more attractive to DAW users.
Misha, while I totally agree that BiaB needs a fresh facial, maybe that could be the next big release 2022 and allow 2020 into 2021 to get this stuff really done once.
What then does that require from use you ask? That we upgrade this year even if the program doesn’t have “50” new features. Especially if it gets many issues addressed and completed.
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MusicStudent,
I think you do not see this clear. OK, I admit my hearing is very poor. This is been a problem for me for quite some time. But my vision is ... well, still pretty good. So I do clearly see your point. I am just trying to stay positive and take the high ground. Less deletions of posts by moderators that way. You don't survive on this forum for over 20 years without some balanced perspective on this product. And regarding the sizzle, Perhaps you are not familiar with the origins of the phrase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW6HmQ1QVMwAsk yourself what can BIAB do? Then what other package can do it? When I ask myself those questions each year I pull out my credit card and update. I can't make the music I make without BIAB.
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Dan (music student), Misha has a point. Yes he does and the new kid is adding some very positive input to the forum lately. 
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Dan, I heard the phrase before Clicked your Mr.Wheeler link and let it roll in the background while I worked. Nothing like a good Saturday morning sales pitch preaching. I liked the question he asked the audience: "have you ever made a friend in a hurry?" ---- If this thread relates only to marketing existing product "as is", I can just shut up (some folks sure would be happy with that ) If it is a little more than that... a Decon's example of EDM content.... I am a more than certain, those kids who deal primarily with EDM music will express their concerns once / if they buy the package and most likely it would be outside this forum, where users are almost like a family. For the most part I am with Rob H. on the features vs stability. I strongly believe that a better polished product will "sell" better. My interest in this... I do want BIAB alive and well 5-10-15 years from now. It is very doable. Deacon, forgive me for intruding, your idea is good!! I just think with just a little muscle power it has much better chance of success.
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Rusty, I agree with your points however I think the point Dan is making is the same one I've said before too. Enough is enough talking about this. Like I wrote in another thread Peter is well aware of all these concerns, witness the fact he just replied here! He knows, it's his company, his vision, his decision as to how all this proceeds going forward so let it go and move on. I would say you're one of the expert users of Biab so jump on some of the nooby posts and help with their problems getting started. With no editorializing about how the program should be improved, haha.
As to DeaconBlues reason for starting this thread, yes get this going now with what we have. I like the fact that Peter said Biab has already captured some Ableton customers with the plugin. That's great, build on that.
Bob
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What I like is that this is good dialog. Peter Gannon does care about his customer base and I hope we all have the companies, and Mr. Gannon’s best interest at heart. Creating a product like this is a monumental task, and therefore a labor of love. I wanted to say these are critical times, but I think the word important is a better fit. There have been some huge things done here. Hopefully there are many good things to come.
Bob you are so right about one thing here, there are so many things to do helping others to wrap their minds around the program rather than take every opportunity to make a point. There is infinitely more that works great here than what doesn’t. While we want to see some cleaning and tightening work done, BiaB does work great just as it is.
While there are several things that are not completed yet in the plugin, much does work and work well.
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