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I still use Adobe Audition 1.5 daily. It's adapted from the old Cool Edit Pro. I know it cold and it does most of what I want. It's ancient by now.
Yes, I also use a DAW, but for many purposes, it's good to have a stereo file editor.
Adobe Audition has two main drawbacks:
1) it crashes a lot, especially when the full file is not in view
2) it does not understand the newest plugins, like VST3 (and I've converted to 64-bit in just about everything)
I also have Adobe Audition 3, but it suffers from bloat, won’t share ASIO and also doesn't recognize VST3 plugins.
So I just tried the demo versions of WaveLab Elements and SoundForge.
What a difference! WaveLab (by Steinberg) makes you jump through registration hoops, but the program just looks modern and handles all my plugins.
Sound Forge looked functional but felt 'old'. It reminded me of another program you might know. And although it comes with extensive effects, I could not figure out how to add my plugins. The look and feel of the program did not inspire me to try further.
So, if you are still with me, what are you using? Is anyone here using WaveLab? Anyone using Sound Forge? Still suffering with Audition? Something else? Yes, I'm familiar with Audacity; I need something much more powerful.
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Can you be specific about the editing needs? I used to use ancient versions of Cool Edit Pro, Goldwave and Sound Forge. But ever since I started using Tracktion as my DAW in early 2000’s, I find the built in audio clip editor does everything I need it to do. The ability to drag VSTs directly onto the clip for non destructive editing is a really cool feature, drag over cross fading, one touch fades of linear, exponential and sigmoid types, etc. Inside the DAW. What is it you are needing?
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I tend to use a DAW (Reaper or Cakewalk) or maybe Melodyne but for a bit of simple manipulation I have used Audacity for years. Audacity is free, very commonly used with a lot of addons that make it reasonably versatile. Given the common usage it has a lot of info on various tasks if you need it.
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Matt are you trying to work on one song file or a group of them?
If I were just trying to exit one song I would just do that in my DAW. I used to use a couple audio editors. Gave them up cause it didn’t seem to help. Cakewalk has some pretty decent audio tools.
If I am trying to master a group of songs I use the project page in studio one.
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Thanks, everyone. As many of you know, there may be lots of overlap between a DAW and a powerful stereo editor. Adobe Audition could even be considered a DAW when in multitrack mode. I tend to work in a DAW when recording or assembling multiple tracks. Then I normally work with the exported stereo file for final tweaking in a stereo audio editor. Specifics are different, as each project requires its own approach.
Also, inertia is a powerful deterrent to switching tools. I’ve used Audition or its predecessor daily for over thirty years.
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Matt,
I hardly ever use it, I find Audacity is faster for the few times I edit audio files, but I have Soundforge (11), it came with the Samplitude Pro Suite when they were offering it at "fire sale prices" (when Gibson dropped Sonar). I have used it but not alot.
to get at and use your VST's use:
"View -> Plug-in Manager" (or CTRL+Atl+1) to find your VSTs and apply them to waveform or parts thereof
and "View -> Plug-in Chain" (or Ctrl+Alt+0) to create a chain of FX's. The Chain can be named and saved
I think you already figured out the Options -> Preferences is where you add paths for your VST's
Again I don't use it much.
IMHO - If you don't already have a version of Soundforge that works or that you want to upgrade from then the price relative to free Audacity or $99 Wavelab (BTW Steinberg has ALWAYS been a PITA when it comes to making you hop-jump), or just using your DAW (as you already know and mentioned) would not be worth it unless you do a significant amount of wavefile/audio editing.
good luck
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I still use Audition V1.5 here daily both for recording and editing audio. I also have Audition V3.0, which I used as my DAW until I switched over to Reaper a few years ago. I've never found a program that allows me to quickly and seamlessly punch in notes like Audition 1.5 can, and that's something I do quite often. Which is quite remarkable, considering how old the program is! I don't need it to understand modern plugins, the plugins get added to the file once it's in Reaper.
Also, inertia is a powerful deterrent to switching tools. I’ve used Audition or its predecessor daily for over thirty years.
Yes, very true! Same here, I started with Cool Edit. EDIT: Matt, in your OP you mentioned you tried WaveLab. Other than the registration problems did you find it to be comparable in functionality?
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WaveLab appears to have more functions than I could have imagined. I’ll keep playing with it.
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Since you'll be starting from scratch you should strive for what's best and not necessarily someone's favorite. Aim for a program made for the job and that is stable as well as compatible with a DAW. Still using Adobe Audition 1.5 means nearly any current program will be far advanced from what you're use to. I recommend Studio One Professional. It has a very powerful Project page designed for stereo editing and mastering. It has high quality plug-ins, tools and very well designed and useful presets. It is a professional, commercial grade product designed to do specifically what you're needing. I think it will be suitable to you for several other reasons too. . It will work extremely well in both the DAW and Project page with your X-Touch controller. . There are templates available making setup of the X-touch quite easy and quick. . There are commercial grade covers to go onto your X-Touch identifying all the faders, buttons and knobs to match the X-Touch to the DAW/Project commands. . There is seamless integration between the DAW and the Project Page. For instance, if you're editing stereo file and discover you need to make a minor fader change on an individual instrument, you can make the change on the DAW page and it automatically updates the Project Page stereo file. I don't think you should concern yourself about the learning curve. There will be a learning curve at some level with any new software you choose. But in your case, with Studio One, you don't have to learn the entire software. You need it specifically for stereo editing. Everything else about the program can be considered a future benefit and can be ignored until the day you either choose it as DAW or accidentally discover a feature and include into your workflow. It's simply a case that you'll have more than you need for the day you need more than you have.  There are ton's of tutorials on YouTube and entire channels dedicated to Studio One Software. I have no doubt you will be able to install the software, Install and set up your Audio interface and sound modules, install and set up your X-Touch, install and set up a Keyboard, load and edit your first stereo file in less than a day. It will also help future proof your studio. Studio One stays current with changes in the hardware sector of the industry and is very stable with most manufacturers products. It has pro grade plug-ins and works seamlessly with most after market VST's. (PG Music's Band in a Box VST included.) Regarding future proofing your studio, I know you've had your X-Touch for several years and may need or consider replacing it or upgrading in the not to distant future. A Major benefit you get with Studio One that no other DAW can match in its price range is the tight integration between the DAW and Presonus's controllers, Faderport 8 or Faderport 16. Presonus's latest version upgrade release has put Faderport integration as the main new upgrade feature and the controllers access and control the DAW VST's both factory and third party. In your situation, if you don't use it for nothing more than the project page and the additional VST's it includes and the high quality presets, you'll get your money's worth.
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Studio one is an excellent DAW, no question about that! It's one of the ones I evaluated when I decided it was time to switch from using Audition 3 as my DAW. It is not however as good (or as easy might be a better way to put it) as Audition 1.5 for editing or punching in audio, and I spent quite a few hours evaluating it and learning what it could do. IMHO of course
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Matt are you trying to work on one song file or a group of them?
If I were just trying to exit one song I would just do that in my DAW. I used to use a couple audio editors. Gave them up cause it didn’t seem to help. Cakewalk has some pretty decent audio tools.
If I am trying to master a group of songs I use the project page in studio one. Master a group? How the heck do you do that? Bud
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Studio one is an excellent DAW, no question about that! It's one of the ones I evaluated when I decided it was time to switch from using Audition 3 as my DAW. It is not however as good (or as easy might be a better way to put it) as Audition 1.5 for editing or punching in audio, and I spent quite a few hours evaluating it and learning what it could do. IMHO of course It is an excellent DAW. However, my recommendation to Matt is for it's value as a stereo editor, of which the Project Page is a pro grade version. Audition 1.5 was released in 2004. Any current software will be more feature laden and require some time learning what it can do. Matt said: "Yes, I also use a DAW, but for many purposes, it's good to have a stereo file editor." Once installed and set up, Matt should be able to learn stereo editing in an hour. Matt continues: "I tend to work in a DAW when recording or assembling multiple tracks. Then I normally work with the exported stereo file for final tweaking in a stereo audio editor. Specifics are different, as each project requires its own approach." Yes, Studio One has dozens if not hundreds of features beyond Audition 1.5, and yes, the specifics Matt needs for editing differ between projects, I speculate the specifics don't vary a lot over time and different projects. My point is that Matt doesn't need the same editing tools on every project but every project is repetitious to the total tools and techniques Matt uses. There are probably a certain set of commands he uses over and over as needed per project. Initially, Matt will only need to learn the tools and techniques in Studio One that he uses on all his projects in Audition 1.5.
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The one tool that noone mentions is the multiband compressor. It's difficult but once Mastered.it ends a lot of issues
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The one tool that noone mentions is the multiband compressor. It's difficult but once Mastered.it ends a lot of issues I use Waves LinMB multi compressor on every project. It will open up a mix like nothing else I’ve used. That! Bud
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Diamond Cut Audio Restoration Tools (DCArt) (diamondcut.com) for me. Have used it since Win95 days and have helped beta test it several times. It supports VST effects and has a quick-edit mode and a traditional edit mode. Once you learn just a few keyboard shortcuts, it is very easy to navigate. You can load multiple files in a tabbed display and it's easy to copy/paste (with options to paste over, paste insert, etc). Lots of audio filters and effects included, and with VST effects, there is little you cannot do. And like PGMusic, the developers are very responsive on the forum to help you (Craig Meier and Rick Carlson). It also has an audio library feature and saves nicely to MP3 (and other formats).
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Let me address a few of these questions and comments, again with my thanks for your interest.
Yes, I do a lot of just plain stereo editing for clients. I do even more for myself to make my composer demos.
John Ford, thanks, I did get Diamond Cut Pro on your recommendation. It's an especially good tool for noise removal. I'll take another look now that you say it handles VSTs to see if that includes my newer ones.
Larry, -1 for annoying hoops in all things Steinberg. But I have Dorico (tried it, still don't like it) so it wasn't too bad the second time around.
Silvertones, I use multiband compressors and I use them from a plugin. My ancient Adobe Audition doesn't recognize my newer plugins, and this is one of my two main reasons for a change.
BlueAttitude, the other main reason I want to change is too many abrupt crashes when I forget to unzoom. If you make the mistake of zooming and previewing a portion of the song (especially in multitrack mode) and you don't stop playback before the end of the selected section, bang, gone. Recovery might or might not bring it back. Does that happen to you? Very annoying.
Bud, perhaps the concept of 'master a group of songs' refers to how I handle mastering to burn a CD. I use the program CD Architect, which allows adjustment of each song so the project is coherent throughout. My favorite technique is to pretend I have an old turntable, where you pick up the needle and set it down anywhere. Does it have coherence in terms of volume and energy wherever you set the needle down, or does one song blast you out where another makes you want to turn up volume? Or 'mastering a group' might mean something entirely different...
About Studio One, which several have mentioned, thanks. I did try that when SONAR went defunct temporarily. I have moved back to Cakewalk by Bandlab. Otherwise, I would have stayed with Mixcraft 9. But I did not evaluate Studio One for its use as a stereo editor. Likewise for the stereo editing features of any other DAW. As I'm an expert in Adobe Audition, I never considered using a DAW for this, instead thinking I would just update my stereo editor.
Apologies for any other major points I did not address. Thank you all.
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Matt Of course you know if you do invest in Wavelab it will go on sale a week later, so let me know when you buy it so I can be on the lookout for a deal  Good Luck Larry
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So true! Larry, I strive to help!
I like what I’ve seen so far. There is no competitive product cross grade, and I no longer qualify for educational pricing, but the Elements ‘lite’ version is a very reasonable $100.
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With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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