Soundfonts are easy to find and there is a ton of them around. Big ones, small ones, free fonts and paid fonts. I decided to make a YT video to compare them using a MIDI file from Band in a Box. (Communicating with Synthfont from BIAB is glitchy, even when using Loop.be or Springbeats or the likes, so I preferred a MIDI file. Loopbe and Kontakt works fine, no problems there.) I didn't pay attention to the ability to play pop, rock of country. Only Jazz and the ability to make acoustic instruments sound good. Njoy BTW: If you view it on Youtube, you can easily find the snippets in the description, you can go from soundfont to soundfont if you like, using timestamps. BTW2:Spoiler alert: imo, soundfonts are no match for Kontakt Libraries or even todays' cheaper keyboards (Korg Kross, Yamaha PSR)
Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
Right. Low cost or free ain't gonna cut it for midi sounds. You see it all the time on this site because so many nooby's are attracted to Biab and for good reason. As long as they're using RT's everybody's happy but get to midi and it's like WOAH, what happened to the sound quality?
Midi is complex and hard to understand and then to keep it simple with Biab you have to find a GM synth with high quality sounds. There are a few "decent" ones but then define "decent". So now, you pay hundreds (thousands in some cases) for high end softsynth libraries because once you get into this you need more than one. There are specialist horns, drums, guitars and whatever else libraries. And, they must be manually selected and tweaked for the best sound with Biab and the nooby's go What, there must be a better way! And there it goes, 'round and 'round. There is no better way, great midi sound requires work and knowledge on the users part and that's it. It's not just select the synth and hit Play.
If we had a buck for every thread on this forum titled "How do I get better midi sounds" We'd all be rich.
Right. Low cost or free ain't gonna cut it for midi sounds. You see it all the time on this site because so many nooby's are attracted to Biab and for good reason. As long as they're using RT's everybody's happy but get to midi and it's like WOAH, what happened to the sound quality?
Midi is complex and hard to understand and then to keep it simple with Biab you have to find a GM synth with high quality sounds. There are a few "decent" ones but then define "decent". So now, you pay hundreds (thousands in some cases) for high end softsynth libraries because once you get into this you need more than one. There are specialist horns, drums, guitars and whatever else libraries. And, they must be manually selected and tweaked for the best sound with Biab and the nooby's go What, there must be a better way! And there it goes, 'round and 'round. There is no better way, great midi sound requires work and knowledge on the users part and that's it. It's not just select the synth and hit Play.
If we had a buck for every thread on this forum titled "How do I get better midi sounds" We'd all be rich.
Bob
I agree 100%.
I started on the midi path because back then, literally, it was all that was available to most players. If you didn't play an instrument but you could manage to play a few notes on a midi keyboard, you could emulate any instrument. Problem was, like Bob said, the quality of the sound sources were dismal. I had a huge library of the latest free fonts and sounds and nothing sounded real.
I went from the integrated default GM synths to the free fonts...a step up..... to the paid for libraries and well recorded samples. Pretty costly but they did sound really good. Still not real, mainly due to the lack of articulations. PG and it's real tracks solved that problem. Now days, generally, the only midi instruments I use are Bass Guitar, Piano, and drums.
When I built my DAW computer many years ago, I decided to leave all the free stuff and junk in the old laptop. Now, I mostly only use PG real tracks with an occasional smattering of midi for the parts I need that can only be done with midi.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.
The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
In the midi department, there are such great libraries. How can anything top the Abbey Road drums, or the Vintage D piano, the Pearl piano from Impact Soundworks, the Fluffy audio Upright bass, the Native instruments Vintage Organ?
The comparison between midi and realstyles is not an easy one. For me, I go with MIDI for the sake of almost limitless sound-tweaking and the possibility to alter playing styles, feels, note choices, accents, dynamics that only midi offers.
Typical example for me is Organ (Hammond B3) tracks. With midi I can still change the drawbar settings, the percussion. Same with drums, I like a high pitched snare better than the typical low pitched studio snares. or I prefer smaller rides or smaller bass drums than most...
Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
In the midi department, there are such great libraries. How can anything top the Abbey Road drums, or the Vintage D piano, the Pearl piano from Impact Soundworks, the Fluffy audio Upright bass, the Native instruments Vintage Organ?
The comparison between midi and realstyles is not an easy one. For me, I go with MIDI for the sake of almost limitless sound-tweaking and the possibility to alter playing styles, feels, note choices, accents, dynamics that only midi offers.
Typical example for me is Organ (Hammond B3) tracks. With midi I can still change the drawbar settings, the percussion. Same with drums, I like a high pitched snare better than the typical low pitched studio snares. or I prefer smaller rides or smaller bass drums than most...
Exactly the same reasons I use MIDI over RTs.
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Thank you for the informative post on this topic. Suppose I have a RT style such as piano, bass, drums, and I'd like to add strings to a chorus. Can someone point me in the right direction for being able to do that? Would I need to use a soundfont in BIAB for the strings? And how does a MIDI instrument get added to a RT song?
Thank you for the informative post on this topic. Suppose I have a RT style such as piano, bass, drums, and I'd like to add strings to a chorus. Can someone point me in the right direction for being able to do that? Would I need to use a soundfont in BIAB for the strings? And how does a MIDI instrument get added to a RT song?
Band-in-a-Box includes a small selection of MIDI SuperTrack Strings played by Miles Black. These patches are MIDI soundfonts that Band-in-a-Box can load without having the user having to install and load a soundfont synth player.
While there are multiple ways to change instruments the method I use much of the time is to:
Right click on the existing name of an instrument in the mixer. Click on the "Select MIDI SuperTRack for this track [] ..." Select a "Strings" instrument from the list.
Thank you for the informative post on this topic. Suppose I have a RT style such as piano, bass, drums, and I'd like to add strings to a chorus. Can someone point me in the right direction for being able to do that? Would I need to use a soundfont in BIAB for the strings? And how does a MIDI instrument get added to a RT song?
Band-in-a-Box also has some string quartet as well as the individual instrument RealTracks.
In the RealTracks Picker enter "string" in the filter textbox and then press Update.
Don't forget to press the "Show All" button the next time you open the RealTracks Picker to clear the filter.
Have reviewed two new soundfonts and made my own (open source…)
Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
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Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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