|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607 |
Anyone doing any online jamming with others? If so, what app(s) are you using. Thanks, Ray
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930 |
I would love to do this but am under the impression that latency is a constraint for live jam sessions.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930 |
Quick google search turned this up https://jammr.net/howitworks.html Anyone have experience on this?
Last edited by JoanneCooper; 05/15/20 11:43 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,693
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,693 |
The latency problem depends on what style of music you're doing. If you're doing up tempo funky groove stuff where the drummer and bass player have to be tightly locked together, the guitar is doing sharp funky chords that will not work over the internet. But if you're doing slower fairly basic rhythm strumming guitar with a standard drum beat, then "maybe" it's ok but 40 ms latency is a lot of loose timing when it's 5 people in a live band.
If you've done any live playing of a softsynth in your computer you know that 10-15 ms latency is about all you can tolerate for anything other than a slow ballad. Slower, easier music maybe you can tolerate 25-30 ms but that's about it. I've read articles where they have done precise testing of latency over the internet and it starts at about 40ms and can go much higher. It has nothing to do with what software you or the host site is using, this is simple speed of light physics built into the internet itself and there is nothing that can be done about it. Yes, that can mean if your group is in the same city within say 20 miles of each other, everybody has good high speed internet it may work well. Or not.
The internet doesn't work how we think it logically should. Just because everybody is within 20 miles of each other that still doesn't mean the internet pipeline won't route some packets of information through a server in Europe or something. Why that happens is highly technical but basically the information gets routed to the first available connection regardless of where it's located and that's where the speed of light becomes a factor. Lightspeed is incredibly fast but it's not instant, it takes time to travel back and forth over 4,000 miles even if it's "only" milliseconds and then a few more ms to get processed in everybody's computers and software. Nobody notices that in regular internet usage but it's a big deal when you're practicing your instrument to a metronome.
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 2,930 |
Thanks Bob. Have you tried it out anywhere?
I tried once on Skype.. Slow folk type stuff and only one other person. We both had quite good internet connections. It did not work....
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,699
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 2,699 |
hi ray I was in the process and started having issues with my 500 gig ssd drive so I have been working on the new 1tb ssd anyway have you tried obs software I will be getting back into it and share with you latency can be a problem there's a lot of programs out there cheers eric
AMD (TM) 5950 4.9 GHz 16Core Processor 64 bit 32 bits of ram windows 10 pro 64 bit os. sound card Antelope ZenQ guitars Ibanez 2202a 1968 les Paul Custom and Cavin ae 185 Guitar boss Gt-100,GT1000 pedal Yamaha HS8 studio monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,195
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,195 |
Been doing a lot of Teams viewing for business. Occasionally someone will share their screen and I will see myself on their monitor. It can be several seconds behind my real time. Kind of strange to move my head and then see it move a few seconds later on my monitor.  Just sayin...
BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,706
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 6,706 |
Not sure about jamming but I use OBS (wonderful product) for all my streaming and there is usually a 20 - 25 second delay and I am thinking it would be similar for other applications. But comes highly recommended for streaming your shows online from me.
Later,
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,958
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,958 |
There have, understandably, been several similar threads about this recently. We all see these wonderful videos and wonder how to do that. Unfortunately, the one thing that hasn't changed (and Bob jazzmammal alluded to this) is physics. That, coupled with the way packets are designed to be sent over the Internet, makes real-time collaborative playing not workable.
I'm in the same boat. My wife has successfully experimented with the Acapella app with her choir for limited assembly of choir parts. In this downtime, I've been making videos of my scores to offer more for sale. It's one of those jobs I never found time to do.
I think the answer has to be to learn some video software, so we can assemble tracks that are recorded by others to a common track or click track.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 501
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 501 |
You can easily work with other musicians to sound almost live with some careful planning. Here are a couple of examples. My Friend in Portland, OR and I played duos on a couple of tunes. The song files were set up so that we recorded in stages, with each guy adding to the previously recorded parts. I then mixed them and did the video production. I Didn't Know About You https://youtu.be/sAW01ku6HcwTwo's Blues https://youtu.be/typPH7-Y8gwThe online magazine Jazz Guitar Today did a quick article that details the steps: https://jazzguitartoday.com/2020/04/creating-a-dual-coast-duet/
RayL
Mac Studio M2 mid 2024 64 GB RAM
MacOS Sonoma
Logic Pro 11.01
PreSonus USB AudioBox 1818VSL
Running BIAB from the external 2023 HD supplied by PG
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607
Veteran
|
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 2,607 |
"How can I jam without latency?
If you have ever tried to jam together over a voice or video call, you have experienced how internet latency makes it impossible to play in sync. You don't hear each other at the same time, nevermind staying in tempo. jammr solves this problem by matching the chord progression you are playing so it can keep everyone synchronized.
jammr is live but not real-time. You hear what others played last time around the chord progression, and they hear what you played last time. This way jammr works great even on high-latency internet connections!
If you're wondering how this works musically, imagine playing a note over the G chord that I'm playing. The note sounds good over a G chord regardless of whether it's the G chord that I'm playing right now or if it's the G chord I played last time around the chord progression. This is how jammr allows you to jam with people around the world without worrying about latency.
Most users perceive jammr as real-time because it feels natural!"
The above from the Jammr site. I'm anxious to try it out for rehearsals with a trio, pno, bs and drs. If anyone tries Jammr please post results in the forum.
Asus Q500A i7 Win 10 64 bit 8GB ram 750 HD 15.5" touch screen, BIAB 2017, Casio PX 5s, Xw P1, Center Point Stereo SS V3 and EWI 4000s.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414
PG Music Staff
|
|
PG Music Staff
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414 |
I came across this research group at Stanford on the interwebs recently called SoundWIRE. They have a lot of interesting projects, and one of which, called Jacktrip, is a program that, once installed, allows you to "jam" with friends via the internet. This software is all open source and free, but I've never used it myself. Hear good things from other communities of musicians online I am a part of. Just thought I'd mention it 
Cheers,
Deryk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 6 |
Jammr is a delayed loop of limited size.
It is not real-time.
You play behind what someone else has done and feels a bit weird to do.
Zoom is real-time but only one person can play at a time.
Jamkazam plaudits seem to be scripted and I have not yet known anybody who has used it.
You can, of course, play along to any track you select on utube but it is not the same buzz as live playing.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Newbie
|
|
Newbie
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 6 |
Thanks for that.
I'll check it out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,129 |
Hello JamKazammers – Peter and Seth are working furiously on our new Internet latency reduction feature. Meanwhile, David has been pulling together the JamKazam Music Festival, which is now real and scheduled for Saturday May 30 starting at 5pm CDT. This festival will feature 7 (or more) bands playing 30-minute sets, with band members playing from each of their homes in JamKazam sessions. Check out this preview video for a small taste of what’s coming: https://youtu.be/vRNRtgLFZuw.Here is the link for the event, which will be a Facebook Live stream: JamKazam is a company that focuses in online jams and reducing latency - here's their last email and a live stream. https://www.facebook.com/events/298370014525149We’d like to ask you to please help us by doing three quick things: RSVP to the event to get a reminder to tune in and to build momentum for the festival. Share the Facebook link through your social media accounts to help us get the word out. Attend at least part of the festival to check it out. Thank you again to everyone for helping with our GoFundMe fundraiser, and if your band is playing together successfully in JamKazam sessions and would like to broadcast a performance with paid tickets, please send us an email at concerts@jamkazam.com. Be well, stay safe, and we hope you enjoy your connections on JamKazam! Best Regards, Team JamKazam
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2025 Italian Version is Here!
Cari amici
È stata aggerate la versione in Italiano del programma più amato dagli appassionati di musica, il nostro Band-in-a-Box.
Questo è il link alla nuova versione 2025.
Di seguito i link per scaricare il pacchetti di lingua italiana aggiornati per Band-in-a-Box e RealBand, anche per chi avesse già comprato la nuova versione in inglese.
Band-in-a-Box 2025 - Italiano
RealBand 2025 - Italiano
Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!
Bonjour à tous,
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music
Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:
BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation
Voilà, enjoy!
Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!
Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!
Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Stay up to date—get the latest update now!
Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!
Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.
Get the latest update today!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!
PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!
First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!
www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm
Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.
Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.
Check out the forum post for more information.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums58
Topics84,140
Posts775,215
Members39,566
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean