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Every time I start a new song file I begin by making two changes:
First I go to Edit > Song Form > and select "Unfold (convert to 1 BIG chorus)".
Second I go to the framing buttons on the toolbar and change the number of choruses from 3 to 1.
Changing these two defaults will reduce the time I spend getting ready to create and eliminate the need to perform two steps that aggravate me and take me out of my creative space. I can instead spend that time trying to be creative.
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I do the same as Jim so a big +1 from me.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
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Yep! Big +1 on this! Annoying step I have to do. Every. Single. Song!
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But you folks would make me undo these new defaults every time I work.
Would you be willing to make this a user setting? Then I’m fine, and you’re fine.
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But you folks would make me undo these new defaults every time I work.
Would you be willing to make this a user setting? Then I’m fine, and you’re fine. Good idea. I would go for a user setting.
I get most of my exercise these days from shaking my head in disbelief.
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I never unfold, so I think a user defined setting would be the way to go.
If so, +1
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But you folks would make me undo these new defaults every time I work.
Would you be willing to make this a user setting? Then I’m fine, and you’re fine. I wonder how many users actually use this 3 chorus feature? I bet it is a small subset. And Matt, do you always use 3 choruses or do you usually have to change that to another number anyway? Bottom line, it should be set to default to how the majority of users use it. Making it a user setting that could then be customized would be great.
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But you folks would make me undo these new defaults every time I work. Would you be willing to make this a user setting? Then I’m fine, and you’re fine. Making them a preference setting works for me, as long as the defaults are MY way! 
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JohnJohnJohn, since you asked, I do indeed use the default almost all of the time. I write original music, and most songs have a melody chorus, a solo chorus, and the melody recap chorus with 2nd ending (a Tag).
Everyone, remember the history. BIAB was developed to enter songs from jazz fakebooks. That history explains several things, including what BIAB calls a chorus (the jazzer definition) and what is being discussed here.
I don't think we can ever know what the majority of users like. There is no way to know short of a poll, and that poll only reaches the subset of users who frequent this forum.
Sure, go ahead and change the default. Just make it an option so I can reset it once to the way I want it. And be prepared to answer a ton of questions on the forum after this change is implemented.
Cheers.
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be prepared to answer a ton of questions on the forum after this change is implemented But at least all the users without any jazz experience won't need to send in their ton of questions as to why it works like this! And I'd bet the marketplace going forward has far fewer users who have the jazz understanding of a chorus.
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I don’t think all the early adopters of BIAB are dead yet. 100% of the existing users know the defaults to be what they are. Just make it a user-selectable setting. You can change it once and you’re all set.
The Song Form feature was introduced to help the folks who think in terms of verse, chorus, bridge, but it is rather well hidden. I do see an opportunity to improve the overall interface regarding how one prefers to construct a song, and make that a lot more prominent. Wouldn’t that be the better solution here?
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Always do that, and in the BiabVST you are in the DAW so it's linear and the bars correspond. Especially now if they are making the simple Biab DAW Sync VST you need that option so the bar number correspond in both. That's why I got it as the first Custom Action in the Chord Picker Tool: 
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Yes. Allow the user to set a preference for what a new empty song contains.
When trying out new ideas I frequently set it to 1 repeat and only 8 or 16 bars long just so the generation time is shorter.
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I don’t think all the early adopters of BIAB are dead yet. 100% of the existing users know the defaults to be what they are. Just make it a user-selectable setting. You can change it once and you’re all set.
The Song Form feature was introduced to help the folks who think in terms of verse, chorus, bridge, but it is rather well hidden. I do see an opportunity to improve the overall interface regarding how one prefers to construct a song, and make that a lot more prominent. Wouldn’t that be the better solution here? IMHO, catering to antiquated, quirky standards like this is one of the reasons it is hard to reach new, younger customers. Can you imagine the reaction of Garageband users if Apple decided to make jazz choruses the default config? No, the default behavior should be updated to follow modern standards and anyone using old standards should be accommodated with the setting option. If PGM plans to be around 10 years from now when lots of early adopters really are gone they need to start cleaning up this software now!
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A good compromise would be a transitional version of BIAB where this preference is included as a must-answer question during installation. That way everyone chooses their preference. Then, in future versions you remove the question and have modern standards (unfolded) as the default. But you retain settings previously set.
Now, that is how you move forward while accommodating those early adopters!
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At least this setting is saved with the song.
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At least this setting is saved with the song. As are some other BIAB defaults that benefit users that mostly use the program for accompaniment rather than composition.
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Despite my attempt to be cute response above to Matt, I have no objection to changing the settings from default settings to preference settings.
Changing a setting from a default to a preference setting worked out well in RealBand. Even though RealBand is a PowerTracks Pro derivative it did not originally save song files in the native SEQ file format. PG Music transitioned from the old to the new by creating the preference setting in one annual release and enabled the setting by default later on.
I see no reason why these Band-in-a-Box settings couldn't be handled the same way.
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