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Presently, I use a VERY heavy powered speaker with a 3 band eq.
The patches I play have way too much mid range for my liking, so I boost the bass, boost the high & cut the mids.
I'm looking at a LIGHT powered speaker set up that has only 2 band eq.
Will boosting the lows & highs & cutting back on volume equal cutting the mid?
I can't seem to get my head around this!
(The patches themselves only have 2 band eq available)
TIA,
Mick
Last edited by Mick Emery; 12/11/09 10:09 AM.
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Can't tell you as the specs for the new EQ are something I can't see in this crystal ball.
However, I'd be willing to believe that the design for the two-band EQ takes into account the Fletcher-Munson curve, thus as you raise the two, the functional equivalent of lowering the mids would take place, we just don't know to what extent.
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Boosting treble and bass SHOULD raise the overal level (possibly requiring you to turn down the volume knob), and leave the mids at the old level, giving the 'smiley face' EQ you want.
One thing to note is that different companies pick different frequencies for the 2 band tone controls. On a 2 band tone control, often the frequency of Max boost-cut is specified. For instance if the frequency of the treble knob is 10 KHz, then if you boost, the frequencies from 10 KHz up to 'as high as you can hear' are boosted flat, and there is a smooth line connecting the midrange no-gain point, rising up to 10 KHz max boost. Same deal for cut.
Different folks have ideas on what is the most musical bass and treble max-gain boost. Mackie for a long time used 50 Hz for bass and 10,000 Hz for treble. Peavey for a long time used 100 Hz for bass and 5,000 Hz for treble.
If listening in a 'squeaky clean' environment with very wide range speakers, some folk liked the Mackie wider settings better. But IMO, in a practical situation, the Peavey narrower settings seemed more generally useful. For instance, most 'audible' bass is higher than 50 Hz, so if you really need a good boost around 160 Hz on a track, with the Mackie tone controls you would have to suffer with 'too much' boost down in the rumble territory, to get the 160 Hz boost you wanted.
Maybe the specs of the speaker you want would publish the tone control frequencies. Or maybe not.
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This is one of the reasons I was hoping. in RB, to have an FX slot in the ALL section that was static and didn't change when you loaded songs. The same as that volume slider stays put. Could adjust for different rooms easily.
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Thanks for the input guys.
I guess worse case scenario is to buy a rack eq, if necessary.
Mick
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good to see james chandler posting on here. how do. james?
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Thanks for the input guys.
I guess worse case scenario is to buy a rack eq, if necessary.
Mick
Behringer has some excellent monitors. If you don't mind spending the bucks then Bose is the way to go. The Bose is almost like having a magic wand. Simple little adjustments make it sound fantastic.
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Thanks Russ.
I'm looking at the Bose L1 & the Fishman SoloAmp. (25 lbs)
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Thanks Russ.
I'm looking at the Bose L1 & the Fishman SoloAmp. (25 lbs)
Look (and listen!) real hard at the Bose Compact.
Don't let the smaller size or lack of extra $ subwoofer fool you, the Compact is simply newer technology.
Lean, mean, sound machine.
I carry two of 'em now. Can put one over each shoulder and walk on into the gig...
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I was under the impression that there was a subwoofer built into the base!?
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I was under the impression that there was a subwoofer built into the base!?
Yes, there is. But in the case of the L-1 system, there is also a separate Subwoofer system that can be purchased as an addon. You can add up to two subwoofers to each L-1. This seres to extend the bass freqs below what the built in subwoofer that uses the speaker tube for resonance provides.
The Compact, on the other hand, was designed to be the more portable of the two and does not have any aftermarket subwoofer accessory. I soon found that I don't need a subwoofer with the Compact. Not for my gigs anyway. If you are trying to do Pressure-Cooker rock gigs or the like, neither of the Bose systems mentioned here should even be a consideration AFAIC. Get some power amps and big bin speakers with horns on top.
For jazz gigs, pop with a singer, guitar duos, small combos that do covertunes, country, well, it is hard to beat the Bose systems for ease of use, great sound, no need for separate monitoring system -- you hear exactly what your audience hears (!) -- nice, even sound throughout the recommended area size, which is in actuality any venue of about 100 to about 300 people or so, and I can bring both Compacts into the gig in one trip in their included shoulder bags, one on each shoulder and the old man's back ain't hollerin' before the gig starts. Gotta luvit. I have used 'em for my keyboard amp when playing with a coverband that has a huge PA system of their own. I threw a Line Out to their system also, but with my personal singing mic jacked into my Bose Compacts onstage, I had the best monitoring situation as compared to their wedges, bullfrogs, EQ with no mids, etc. They freaked. Because my voice was clean, fullrange sounding and all. over. the. stage. And this was an outdoor park concert under the open canopy, no less. Their PA provided the projection out front.
That is why I'm not selling my big PA system. I may get rid of the monitors, though, at some point and just keep the front for adding onto the Compacts when and if the venue happens to be large enough to demand the extra longthrow push.
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Thanks for the details Mac. I'm mostly interested on monitor & small venue gigs.
If I play with a "cranked up" band, I'll tap into their board.
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I'll second the comments about the Bose system. In our 4-piece rock band we have replaced the mains and monitors with two L-1 Model IIs with the subs. The sound clarity is night-and-day better, the systems are relatively small,light and easy to transport, setup and teardown is a breeze. Even the crowds have commented on the cleaner sound without knowing the reason. And of course if you want to do a solo or duo gig, one unit can more than suffice. Can't say enough good things about the Bose. Now my mission is to convince our nine-piece group to spring for one or two more.
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