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Change default Count-In setting #628728 12/08/20 09:53 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma jimmadsen OP Apprentice
OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	I know that now the Count-in setting can be changed for each project. The default is now "Count-In". HOW do I change the default to "No Count-In"? I rarely use it and it's now a pain to go in for each project. Thoughts? -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628756 12/08/20 11:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 341 Germany/France B Bernard Journeyman
Bernard Journeyman B Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 341 Germany/France	Jim, just go to Preferences/Count-in Metronom et voila! all options are there... Bernard

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628843 12/08/20 06:30 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	Hey Bernard, Thanks for the note back. Yeah - I know how to change them with each song. But every time I open a new project, the default is always "Count-In" and since I rarely, if ever use that, I would like to have the default set as "No Count-In". Anyone know how I can make that happen? Thanks! -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628853 12/08/20 07:31 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Jim, The below settings worked for me. Make sure that #2 is set to "No count-in" and that all the checkboxes in #3 are deactivated. Regards, Noel Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) count in disabling 2021.JPG (63.35 KB, 148 downloads) MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628864 12/08/20 09:52 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia	Jim, what version of BiaB are you using (what year)? Things have changed for the 2021 version, where this is now settable on a song-by-song basis. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Change default Count-In setting AudioTrack #628900 12/09/20 05:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma jimmadsen OP Apprentice
OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	I'm using 2021 (804) I know how to set it song by song (thanks for everyone who responded!) And I know it's customizable by song. My question is: the DEFAULT setting is for the "Count-In". How do I change the DEFAULT setting to "No Count-In"? It's just a bit of an [*****]-ache to have to go back in each time to set it to "No Count-In" every time I start a new project. I do several projects a day so if I just have to go in each time to change it, then I will do that. Just hoping that there was an easy way to have it how it was before. Thanks everyone! -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628956 12/09/20 08:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Jim, Follow my instructions in my previous post. That set the default to "off" for me when I created new songs. Regards, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628981 12/09/20 09:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma jimmadsen OP Apprentice
OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	Hey Noel, Thanks for the note - and I have been doing that. But it still creates a problem. The rendered finished track STILL has 4-6 seconds of silence at the beginning of it. So the count in is still there in the finished track. You just don't hear it. Is there a setting that I need to adjust to remove that silence so the end result is that the finished track plays immediately with no silence or count-in? Thanks everyone for all your help. -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #628994 12/09/20 10:49 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO	Just tried it on about 10 different songs and the only time I had a wait period was when the song 1st generated. Every time I click play after that, the song starts for me immediately. If I generate a song, then freeze it, the playback starts immediately even if I click the regenerate button again. I see no problem at my end when I tested it. BIAB2025 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB No Longer on a Crappy Laptop!

Re: Change default Count-In setting Joseph Land #629012 12/09/20 11:57 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	When I just click play, no problem, just like you. Have your rendered it to a .wav file? That's where the issue lies. Here's a pic of what the rendered .wav file looks like and shows the 4 seconds of silence that appears before each track I render. -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #629068 12/09/20 03:23 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO	OK. I tried it all 4 ways. Each way has 2 different settings you can set. One is the Options - Preferences - Count-In & Metronome Options AND Audio-Export Song As Audio File. 1st rendering settings: Count In Option (Default Count In with all boxes checked) and Render to Audio File (Include 2 bar lead-in and include drum lean-in checked) The WAV file had a 4.351 second delay before the song started with the audible count-in as it should. This was the standard setting which you obviously do not want. Call this the control test. 2nd rendering settings: Count In Option (Default Count In with all boxes un-checked and Render to Audio File (Include 2 bar lead-in and Include drum lean-in) The WAV file had a 4.351 second delay before the song started with no audible count-in. Still wound up with a 4.353 second silent period before the song started. Again, not what you are looking for. 3rd rendering settings: Count In Option (Default Count In with all boxes un-checked and Render to Audio File (Un-check Include 2 bar lead-in and uncheck Include drum lean-in) The WAV file had a 4.351 second delay before the song started with no audible count-in. Still wound up with a 4.353 second silent period before the song started. Again, not what you are looking for. 4th rendering settings: Count In Option (Default Count In with all boxes checked and Render to Audio File (Un-check Include 2 bar lead-in and uncheck Include drum lean-in) The WAV file had a 0.000 second delay before the song started with no audible count-in. This is what you are looking for. You need to use the 4th rendering settings for it to work correctly when you render to a WAV file. Set your count-in option to normal in the preferences but make sure when you render to audio file you un-check include drum lead in and un-check include 2 bar lead-in If this works for you, you can mark the topic as Resolved. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) 4th time.jpg (108.59 KB, 103 downloads) Last edited by jcland; 12/09/20 03:25 PM. BIAB2025 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB No Longer on a Crappy Laptop!

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #629071 12/09/20 03:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO J Joseph Land Expert
Joseph Land Expert J Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 979 Springfield, MO	As a follow up on my solution, the WAV file rendered was all of the tracks in a single WAV file. I also rendered the SGU file as each track as an individual file using rendering settings #4 and each track started immediately with no 4 second silent period. Same results in case you wanted separate tracks. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) render 2.jpg (113.37 KB, 95 downloads) Last edited by jcland; 12/09/20 03:36 PM. BIAB2025 Windows 10 Pro WA6NCB No Longer on a Crappy Laptop!

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #629103 12/09/20 05:37 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma jimmadsen OP Apprentice
OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	THANKS! Let me try it and see if it works...I really appreciate all the thought and knowledge everyone has shared with this. I will definitely provide an update. -------------------- UPDATE - okay - that way works. Not how I've exported .wav files. I've always used the .WAV button/tab on the main menu. But if I start exporting using this method, that does it. TO EVERYONE - thank you for all your help and support! Last edited by jimmadsen; 12/09/20 05:52 PM. -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #629127 12/09/20 09:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Hi Jim, Rendering is a different issue from getting the count-in stopped. You haven't said how your render the file. While there are a few ways in BIAB, only one of those ways (that I'm aware of, at least), allows rendering settings to be applied. Once these setting are applied, then the other BIAB render options should give the same renderings. Try this... 1. Open "Audio \| Export Song as Audio File" (#1, #2 on image below) 2. Set the output audio format (#3) 3. I recommend using 16 bit and 44.1 kHz as sound output because Realtracks have these audio attributes. (#4) This means that you won't run the risk of introducing audio artifacts by up-scaling/dithering to 24 bits (or higher) and higher than 44.1 kHz sampling frequency). I encourage you to play around with these settings and see what works for you. (I always use 16/44.1) 4. Set mix to "Normalize" (#5) 5. Deactivate the settings shown by #6. (I imagine that "2-bar lead-in" is active and that this is what's causing the silence.) 6. Activate "Render using the highest quality". (#7) 7. Click on "Render" (#8). One your have made the changes in this window and then used the "Render" button (#8), the settings will be put in place. Next time, you can use any of BIAB's rendering options and these settings should be applied. If ever you want to change these settings, it's necessary to use "Audio \| Export song as Audio File" and then "Render" to set them. Hope this helps, Noel Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) render - setting audio render defaults 2021.jpg (166.12 KB, 78 downloads) MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Change default Count-In setting Noel96 #629157 12/10/20 04:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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kolex Enthusiast Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 16	Hi, Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I have the same issue and it is not completely solved for me. It doesn't matter what I select in the "Render to Audio File" dialog. I unchecked "Include 2 bar lead-in" and also "Include drums lead-in" but I always get 2 measures silence at the beginning after exporting the audio file. The only possibility to avoid this silence is to go to Preferences => Count-in/Met. and activate "Allow Lead-In Bars (all songs)". Only with this setting in combination with unchecked "Include 2 bar lead-in" and "Include drums lead-in" in the export window, I can get rid of the silence at the beginning of the song. But that's exactly the thing: I don't want to activate "Allow Lead-In Bars (all songs)" in the preferences, because I want the song playback inside BiaB to start immediately after pressing play. Maybe this is a new issue in BiaB 2021, because in the 2020 version I didn't have silence in exported files using the same settings. Kind regards, Alex Using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #629193 12/10/20 08:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Hi Alex, I confirm your investigation. If I set the render settings as shown in my previous post... https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=629127#Post629127 1. ...and the audio count-in is set so that its heard when the song playback starts, then the song renders without the count-in. If however... 2. ...the count-in is disabled so that it doesn't sound when a song is generated and played back in BIAB (as per the link below), then a 2-bar silence is inserted in the rendering. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=628853#Post628853 In other words, it's not possible to have a zero 2-bar count-in for BIAB playback as well as zero 2-bar silence on a rendered audio. That's a great pick-up! I've passed the information on to the development team. Regards, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Change default Count-In setting jimmadsen #630245 12/14/20 04:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma jimmadsen OP Apprentice
OP jimmadsen Apprentice Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Oklahoma	The issue with the count-in default set to "Count-In", unfortunately, persists. There seems to be no way to change this setting. Whenever I close BIAB, then restart BIAB I need to go in and change the Count In to "No Count In". It is what it is, unfortunately. -------------------- Jim Oklahoma City, OK https://SingingDogStudios.com/ https://soundcloud.com/singingdogstudios

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